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They have the build site already up and running on their website. The solid roof is available on the lower trim models. I felt the same way but I got into my friends Model Y recently on a hot day and was surprised how well the tinted glass roof shaded the interior.
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I went to the build site and the basic model shows a photo of one with a solid roof but you can't build it yet. The next level up the Air Touring shows the glass canopy as optional but I wasn't able to un-check it. The next 2 levels appears to have the glass canopy by default.
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Nobody fears a car with an electric motor. People fear the activists that want to use it to push change on you without fully understanding the consequences to everyone.
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You should fear change, because nobody REALLY ever fully understands the entire scope and impact of huge changes. They shouldn't happen fast, especially when they involve massive systems that directly impact people's lives. California found this out the hard way with an emotional energy policy that "felt" good but led the astronomically high prices and rolling brownouts. Change has been good in many cases, and it's brought disaster in my cases.
Nobody fears a car with an electric motor. People fear the activists that want to use it to push change on you without fully understanding the consequences to everyone.
If you still doubt people fear what is outside the norm, consider since Tesla has been selling cars the number of hit pieces written about the company. Everything from a BEV will burn down your house, it 10x worse for the environment etc. etc. massive fear mongering.
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Buying any product made in a factory is harmful to the environment. End of story ![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Regardless whether its a BEV or an ICE vehicle or any other mass made (or custom made for that matter) product, a factory that has to be built, powered, the raw materials that have to be mined for both types of cars (different types of metal), the rubber and plastics that have to be manufactured - all contribute to global warming. If we really want to save the planet, we need to stop buying manufactured goods.
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Regardless whether its a BEV or an ICE vehicle or any other mass made (or custom made for that matter) product, a factory that has to be built, powered, the raw materials that have to be mined for both types of cars (different types of metal), the rubber and plastics that have to be manufactured - all contribute to global warming. If we really want to save the planet, we need to stop buying manufactured goods.
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Buying any product made in a factory is harmful to the environment. End of story ![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Regardless whether its a BEV or an ICE vehicle or any other mass made (or custom made for that matter) product, a factory that has to be built, powered, the raw materials that have to be mined for both types of cars (different types of metal), the rubber and plastics that have to be manufactured - all contribute to global warming. If we really want to save the planet, we need to stop buying manufactured goods.
![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Regardless whether its a BEV or an ICE vehicle or any other mass made (or custom made for that matter) product, a factory that has to be built, powered, the raw materials that have to be mined for both types of cars (different types of metal), the rubber and plastics that have to be manufactured - all contribute to global warming. If we really want to save the planet, we need to stop buying manufactured goods.
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The best thing you can do for the planet is die.
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We have nothing to fear but polarization! I don't understand why anyone feels the need to paint a picture of discord, strife and conflict in the choice between BEV and ICE. Market conditions, not fear, will dictate which best suites consumers and the environment.
California legislates in the favor of BEV's and renewable energy resources, but only because they're attempting to do something, symbolic as it may be, to battle climate change. The rainfall drop and temperature rise in CA has led to unprecedented wildfires across the state. To do nothing in response would be irresponsible.
Like all of the other increasingly polarizing political issues of the day, I fear the polarization more than either side of any issue.
California legislates in the favor of BEV's and renewable energy resources, but only because they're attempting to do something, symbolic as it may be, to battle climate change. The rainfall drop and temperature rise in CA has led to unprecedented wildfires across the state. To do nothing in response would be irresponsible.
Like all of the other increasingly polarizing political issues of the day, I fear the polarization more than either side of any issue.
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We have nothing to fear but polarization! I don't understand why anyone feels the need to paint a picture of discord, strife and conflict in the choice between BEV and ICE. Market conditions, not fear, will dictate which best suites consumers and the environment.
California legislates in the favor of BEV's and renewable energy resources, but only because they're attempting to do something, symbolic as it may be, to battle climate change. The rainfall drop and temperature rise in CA has led to unprecedented wildfires across the state. To do nothing in response would be irresponsible.
Like all of the other increasingly polarizing political issues of the day, I fear the polarization more than either side of any issue.
California legislates in the favor of BEV's and renewable energy resources, but only because they're attempting to do something, symbolic as it may be, to battle climate change. The rainfall drop and temperature rise in CA has led to unprecedented wildfires across the state. To do nothing in response would be irresponsible.
Like all of the other increasingly polarizing political issues of the day, I fear the polarization more than either side of any issue.
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California legislates in the favor of BEV's and renewable energy resources, but only because they're attempting to do something, symbolic as it may be, to battle climate change. The rainfall drop and temperature rise in CA has led to unprecedented wildfires across the state. To do nothing in response would be irresponsible.
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Bob04, I understand your point of view, but, I fear we are about to be booted from this thread as we have strayed from the original topic and gotten political. I would simply ask everyone to think in terms of getting along together, regardless of political leanings, and regardless of one's thoughts on BEV's and ICE's. We can only make our lives better by doing what we see fit, and allowing others to do the same. There will always be arguments on both sides of any issue. Understanding both sides and making one's own decision is the American way. The key is understanding and not attacking the other side simply because they think differently. One nation!
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True but its been proven over and over and over again that a life of a BEV will be less environmentally harmful than the overall life of an ICE. Sure they start out worse straight from factory but even powered by coal, the BEV is much more efficient with an overall less carbon footprint. If you add in renewable energy as the primary source, its magnitudes cleaner over its lifetime while that same ICE has no chance of getting cleaner at all. Add to it that Tesla's and EVs are primarily sold in California to suburban affluent homes where there is an abundance of solar power. ![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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A lot of the FUD on battery production was debunked. Sure its worse than ICE but over the lifetime of the vehicle, every reputable publication i've ever read about proves EVs are cleaner in its lifetime than ICE. If you have a publication you'd like for me to read, please link.