Lucid Air
#661
Lexus Fanatic
#662
Lexus Champion
The numbers are completely not in your favor, so I'm not sure what you are basing that on. Lack of cash? Nope. Pre-orders? Nope. Bad reviews? Nope. Maybe you have some information we don't
#663
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
this is the classic 3 stages of a market (Buffett) - there's innovators (Tesla, Rivian), immitators (Lucid, everyone else), and idiots (Stellantis ).
Tesla from the get go was focused on MASS MARKET type products (3, Y and soon 2 and others), with the roadster, S, X as innovative stepping stones. those falcon doors might have been a giant PITA but they gave Tesla MOUNTAINS of 'cool' cred points.
yup. even apple almost went bankrupt too.
But you have to factor in that Lucid is massively better funded than Tesla ever was. That alone doesn't guarantee success, but it helps. What Musk has done at Tesla was undoubtedly brilliant, but for now I'd caution against underestimating the money behind Lucid (it's from a questionable source, but there is a LOT of it).
#665
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Even Musk stated many times that Tesla made it this far was a miracle.
#666
Lexus Champion
One of the reasons the Saudi's are trying to diversify their money outside of oil is because they finally understand that the well is drying. EV's are not their only investment
#667
Lexus Champion
Tesla from the get go was focused on MASS MARKET type products (3, Y and soon 2 and others), with the roadster, S, X as innovative stepping stones. those falcon doors might have been a giant PITA but they gave Tesla MOUNTAINS of 'cool' cred points.
#668
Lexus Fanatic
#669
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
hey I wish lucid well. I hope they succeed! and I'm not saying they're certain to fail.
#670
Lexus Champion
hey I wish lucid well. I hope they succeed! and I'm not saying they're certain to fail.
#671
Lexus Champion
#672
Lexus Fanatic
I think 50% is reasonable...
#673
Lexus Test Driver
Right and guess who is ready to meet the demand?! TESLA.
Lucid - even if they got 1 million orders today - would not be able to handle that type of production capacity for the next 10years.
I think its hilarious that people think building cars and selling them worldwide is like selling clothes.
Lucid - even if they got 1 million orders today - would not be able to handle that type of production capacity for the next 10years.
I think its hilarious that people think building cars and selling them worldwide is like selling clothes.
#674
Lexus Test Driver
Stellantis has 50% chance.
Lucid is 10% if they get lucky.
Besides Tesla - what new automaker has had success in any meaningful way? None
Even McLaren which sells cars for 3x the amount Lucid plans to do is close to bankruptcy.
The big 3 have all failed and were saved
The European brands are helped by their governments and So are Japanese brands.
Manufacturing and developing cars is the most capital intensive business there is with very small margins unless you scale production.
Tesla has 2 interiors and no options with 2 mass produced models. Lucid strategy is opposite of this and its just much harder to make it work.
Lucid is 10% if they get lucky.
Besides Tesla - what new automaker has had success in any meaningful way? None
Even McLaren which sells cars for 3x the amount Lucid plans to do is close to bankruptcy.
The big 3 have all failed and were saved
The European brands are helped by their governments and So are Japanese brands.
Manufacturing and developing cars is the most capital intensive business there is with very small margins unless you scale production.
Tesla has 2 interiors and no options with 2 mass produced models. Lucid strategy is opposite of this and its just much harder to make it work.
#675
Lexus Fanatic
So the only company that can meet EV demand is Tesla? Thats just ridiculous.
I don't believe anybody thinks that...but its not as impossible as "legacy automakers" might lead you to believe. A car is a tangible product like everything else.
Thats completely absurd lol. Stellantis owns many brands that have incredibly popular cars.
I think its hilarious that people think building cars and selling them worldwide is like selling clothes.
Stellantis has 50% chance.