Lucid Air
#676
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when Tesla got going, no one else was selling EVs. as lucid gets going, everyone else either is, or about to be selling lots of different EVs. it's taken what, a decade for lucid to get their first model out, shipping in small quantities. still an impressive feat. to ship that at scale, or add a second or third model, is an enormous and risky undertaking. as you know.
when Tesla did the S and the 3 and the Y, they had ZERO competition. the lucid air is impressive but it's not a game changer. like it or not, it already has competition (EQS) and likely a lot more soon. whatever they do next will no doubt have lots of competition too. yes the market's getting bigger, but with competitors comes many new challenges, impacting decisions, making lucid possibly second guess themselves or change course.
if they don't they'll end up something like Maserati... nice and unique product, but not big volume.
#677
Lexus Test Driver
So the only company that can meet EV demand is Tesla? Thats just ridiculous.
I don't believe anybody thinks that...but its not as impossible as "legacy automakers" might lead you to believe. A car is a tangible product like everything else.
Thats completely absurd lol. Stellantis owns many brands that have incredibly popular cars.
I don't believe anybody thinks that...but its not as impossible as "legacy automakers" might lead you to believe. A car is a tangible product like everything else.
Thats completely absurd lol. Stellantis owns many brands that have incredibly popular cars.
Chinese automakers will take a big pie.
The rest will be divided by legacy automakers.
Stellantis has popular ICE products that are ending production one way or the other. Besides Jeep and Ram, most of the brands are in the red. Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Maserati etc are all in terrible shape. What else is there Peuget, Citroen?! Those are a joke.
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#678
Lexus Fanatic
scaling supply is really hard. ask no one other than Elon musk. lucid might even become resource supply constrained. yes lucid is building additional manufacturing capacity, but they will go through their own 'hell' getting to thousands and tens of thousands instead of hundreds.
if they don't they'll end up something like Maserati... nice and unique product, but not big volume.
if they don't they'll end up something like Maserati... nice and unique product, but not big volume.
Peugeot and Citroen do quite well just not here.
#679
Lexus Champion
#680
Lexus Test Driver
Is there anything wrong with that? I'm sure Lucid would love it if they can be perceived as a boutique high-end luxury brand. In fact I think that's what they're aiming for.
#681
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#682
Lead Lap
Some of Stellantis' brands have a 50% chance of living, but the whole company? They'll be around for sure.
Stellantis has a raft of EVs coming starting this year for the U.S. (Maserati) and really picking up speed in 2024-2027 for the other brands. They're going to be OK and they have brands other than Jeep and RAM that are profitable. Not to mention some of their overseas brands already have EVs out.
I'm not convinced that's enough-Maserati at least is under a corporate umbrella. I think Lucid would end up being purchased by another brand and truly another company would benefit from their technology.
I'm not convinced that's enough-Maserati at least is under a corporate umbrella. I think Lucid would end up being purchased by another brand and truly another company would benefit from their technology.
#683
Lexus Fanatic
Of course they had competition it takes more than just being an EV to have zero competition. Otherwise the Nissan Leaf which beat Tesla to market as a mainstream model would have been a runaway success and Nissan would be the next Tesla.
The EQS has competition in Lucid.
I think Lucid is lying and are not in mass production at all every car is hand built. Will they work it out? The answer to that will decide their fate.
Lucid has never said they have grand plans to sell millions of cars per year I see nothing wrong with that.
the lucid air is impressive but it's not a game changer. like it or not, it already has competition (EQS) and likely a lot more soon. whatever they do next will no doubt have lots of competition too. yes the market's getting bigger, but with competitors comes many new challenges, impacting decisions, making lucid possibly second guess themselves or change course.
scaling supply is really hard. ask no one other than Elon musk. lucid might even become resource supply constrained. yes lucid is building additional manufacturing capacity, but they will go through their own 'hell' getting to thousands and tens of thousands instead of hundreds.
if they don't they'll end up something like Maserati... nice and unique product, but not big volume.
#684
Lexus Test Driver
Much of Maserati's appeal came from their earlier collaborations with Ferrari, not the cost-cutting cheapness of their recent products under FCA (which aren't selling well either). Lucid being under another corporate umbrella would do them no favors unless they want to scale up volume, which doesn't seem to be their end goal.
#685
Lead Lap
Much of Maserati's appeal came from their earlier collaborations with Ferrari, not the cost-cutting cheapness of their recent products under FCA (which aren't selling well either). Lucid being under another corporate umbrella would do them no favors unless they want to scale up volume, which doesn't seem to be their end goal.
#686
EV ftw!!!
This is jarring proof the author has zero understanding of Tesla, Lucid and where the auto market is heading in general. People love Tesla's because they are great cars with great tech and the fierce loyalty is borne of that not of some desperate need to virtue signal. Lucid is trying to tap into the same market as Tesla and would be wildly succeeding if they could make their cars in volume.
tl;dr this author is a dinosaur stuck in the past.
tl;dr this author is a dinosaur stuck in the past.
#687
Lead Lap
To answer the question, I would buy one but not the most expensive one, probably the mid priced one. I like the exterior and interior of the car. I do like the more sporty nature of the Model S but I’ve had LS’ before and could see myself in a Lucid in a couple years.
#688
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i merged a bunch of lucid threads...
this new review an interview with a lucid engineer was quite interesting and a different take and perspective. didn't know they'd been quite involved in formula-e for a while for example.
this new review an interview with a lucid engineer was quite interesting and a different take and perspective. didn't know they'd been quite involved in formula-e for a while for example.
#689
Lead Lap
Drag Times just did an excellent video review including 1/4 mile times yesterday. The interior is really nice, I really like it from a luxury EV standpoint and the build quality looks good so far. It will interesting if they survive as it seems a cheaper economy version (think Model 3) would be necessary to keep them afloat by selling more volume than a $100k+ car.
#690
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Drag Times just did an excellent video review including 1/4 mile times yesterday. The interior is really nice, I really like it from a luxury EV standpoint and the build quality looks good so far. It will interesting if they survive as it seems a cheaper economy version (think Model 3) would be necessary to keep them afloat by selling more volume than a $100k+ car.
i think they should quietly provide the platform to rolls royce to underpin a rr ev with gobs of sound deadening and the rest of it... would be amazing.