Porsche Taycan (interior revealed post #104)
12-04-19, 04:13 AM
#211
Lexus Fanatic
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They taycan is so much more than just fast. And it's just the beginning. And Porsche knows a thing or two about building cars and marketing. They're no threat to Tesla though... the S is pretty irrelevant to Tesla now.
12-04-19, 08:48 AM
#212
Lexus Fanatic
The interior looked pretty plain and cheap or not that luxurious to me in the review, the touchscreen looked incredibly annoying/frustrating to use and the graphics looked unimpressive. I think the version with wood trim looks much better, at least from the few pics I saw. I still like it much more then any Tesla but was expecting something a little nicer in the interior department from Porsche, I think the current gen of Porsche interiors have gone downhill where they were very nice a few years ago.
12-04-19, 02:44 PM
#213
Lexus Fanatic
Porsche attracting Tesla owners with all-electric Taycan sports car
Source
LOS ANGELES – Porsche is receiving a surprising amount of interest from Tesla owners for its new all-electric Taycan sports car, according to the head of the automaker’s North American operations.
Klaus Zellmer, president and CEO Porsche Cars North America, said out of “thousands” of potential U.S. customers who have shown “sincere interest” in the vehicle, Tesla owners are the highest among non-Porsche owners.
“They currently drive a Tesla, they’re open to experiencing something new now,” he told CNBC on the sidelines of the L.A. Auto Show in November. “We’re very happy about that.”
The German automaker, according to Zellmer, was “surprised” by the initial number of owners from Tesla, which is known for its cult following.
“We were actually surprised right from the get-go to see Tesla be so much in the foreground as a potential source of business,” he said.
Behind Tesla owners were Porsche’s usual competitors such as Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Current Porsche owners made up about half of the potential U.S. consumers who have shown significant interest in the vehicle, according to Zellmar. The company declined to disclose a specific amount of U.S. hand raisers for the Taycan.
Porsche previously said about 20,000 people globally had shown sincere interest in the vehicle by placing a deposit or visiting a dealership. That number does not include those who registered online to receive information on the Taycan. Porsche declined to release the number of online registrations.
Porsche expects the Taycan to add incremental sales, and help lead the company to another year of record U.S. retail sales in 2020, according to Zellmer. The company’s domestic sales were up 6.5% through October — putting it on pace to top its record U.S. retail sales of 57,202 in 2018.
“With the Taycan coming into the U.S., the only way is up for us,” Zellmer said. “That is an additional model line, so we expect us to exceed previous years sales by a margin.”
Porsche, according to Zellmer, plans to leverage its reputation, heritage and customer experience to set the Taycan apart from the Tesla Model S and other competitors.
The Porsche Taycan and Tesla Model S are extremely close in size and performance, however, consumers will be paying a premium for the all-new Taycan compared to the aging Model S, which began production in 2012.
The announced starting price range for the Taycan is between $103,800 for the base Taycan 4S and $185,000 for the top-end Taycan Turbo S. That compares to the $99,990 starting price of the top-line Model S. A base Taycan, priced below $100,000, is expected around next fall, according to Automotive News.
The top performance models of the Taycan and Model S both have 0 to 60 mph times of less than three seconds and top speeds of more than 160 mph. However, depending on the model, the Model S has a more than 370-mile range compared to the Taycan, which is expected to achieve less than 300 miles.
Source
LOS ANGELES – Porsche is receiving a surprising amount of interest from Tesla owners for its new all-electric Taycan sports car, according to the head of the automaker’s North American operations.
Klaus Zellmer, president and CEO Porsche Cars North America, said out of “thousands” of potential U.S. customers who have shown “sincere interest” in the vehicle, Tesla owners are the highest among non-Porsche owners.
“They currently drive a Tesla, they’re open to experiencing something new now,” he told CNBC on the sidelines of the L.A. Auto Show in November. “We’re very happy about that.”
The German automaker, according to Zellmer, was “surprised” by the initial number of owners from Tesla, which is known for its cult following.
“We were actually surprised right from the get-go to see Tesla be so much in the foreground as a potential source of business,” he said.
Behind Tesla owners were Porsche’s usual competitors such as Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz. Current Porsche owners made up about half of the potential U.S. consumers who have shown significant interest in the vehicle, according to Zellmar. The company declined to disclose a specific amount of U.S. hand raisers for the Taycan.
Porsche previously said about 20,000 people globally had shown sincere interest in the vehicle by placing a deposit or visiting a dealership. That number does not include those who registered online to receive information on the Taycan. Porsche declined to release the number of online registrations.
Porsche expects the Taycan to add incremental sales, and help lead the company to another year of record U.S. retail sales in 2020, according to Zellmer. The company’s domestic sales were up 6.5% through October — putting it on pace to top its record U.S. retail sales of 57,202 in 2018.
“With the Taycan coming into the U.S., the only way is up for us,” Zellmer said. “That is an additional model line, so we expect us to exceed previous years sales by a margin.”
Porsche, according to Zellmer, plans to leverage its reputation, heritage and customer experience to set the Taycan apart from the Tesla Model S and other competitors.
The Porsche Taycan and Tesla Model S are extremely close in size and performance, however, consumers will be paying a premium for the all-new Taycan compared to the aging Model S, which began production in 2012.
The announced starting price range for the Taycan is between $103,800 for the base Taycan 4S and $185,000 for the top-end Taycan Turbo S. That compares to the $99,990 starting price of the top-line Model S. A base Taycan, priced below $100,000, is expected around next fall, according to Automotive News.
The top performance models of the Taycan and Model S both have 0 to 60 mph times of less than three seconds and top speeds of more than 160 mph. However, depending on the model, the Model S has a more than 370-mile range compared to the Taycan, which is expected to achieve less than 300 miles.
12-04-19, 05:35 PM
#214
Lexus Fanatic
“sincere interest”
“potential source of business”
We'll see if this translates into actual sales.
“potential source of business”
We'll see if this translates into actual sales.
12-05-19, 02:14 PM
#215
Lexus Fanatic
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i can imagine some tesla s owners moving to a taycan, although the p car is smaller, and less range, but it's 7 years newer and, well, it's a porsche 
as far as how many, who knows, but porsche isn't a mainstream brand so even a few is good for porsche.
as far as how many, who knows, but porsche isn't a mainstream brand so even a few is good for porsche.
12-05-19, 02:24 PM
#216
Lexus Test Driver
I like the Taycan. i'm happy that Porsche is proving that EVs can make excellent performance cars. Without the Taycan, there wouldn't be a Plaid Model S in development. Lets see Audi jump in with the new E-tron GT and get this party started
12-11-19, 11:59 AM
#218
Pole Position
Yep.. Tesla model S EPA rating is 326 miles, so the Porsche is about 30% worse. Here's a direct quote from Motor Trend "The 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo has received its official EPA range rating, and there's no way of putting it lightly: It pales in comparison to rivals from Tesla." Source: https://www.motortrend.com/news/offi...rbo-epa-range/
12-11-19, 12:09 PM
#219
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by jrmckinley
Yep.. Tesla model S EPA rating is 326 miles, so the Porsche is about 30% worse. Here's a direct quote from Motor Trend "The 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo has received its official EPA range rating, and there's no way of putting it lightly: It pales in comparison to rivals from Tesla." Source: https://www.motortrend.com/news/offi...rbo-epa-range/
https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/11/th...-of-201-miles/
12-11-19, 12:13 PM
#220
Lexus Fanatic
The Model S is known to routinely get better than the EPA rating. I wonder what the Porsche Turbo S will be rated at.
12-11-19, 12:56 PM
#221
Lexus Test Driver
Damage control. hahaha
Justin T. Westbrook
Today 12:30PM
[img]Photo: PorscheWhen the 2020 Porsche Taycan first debuted as the Mission E concept, the company claimed the car would achieve up to 300 miles of range. But today, the EPA announced its estimated range for the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo is just 201 miles, leading Porsche to go and do its own independent tests as damage control.
Porsche’s first fully electric car is here, and depending on whom you ask, it could be the most…
Read moreThe U.S. government’s fuel economy site lists the Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range capacity at just 201 miles—far shorter than the estimated 280-mile range of the European WLTP testing standard for the same car.
This ranks the Taycan Turbo worse on range in the U.S. than every current Tesla model, the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Audi E-Tron, and the Jaguar I-Pace. Nearly all of these vehicles feature a smaller battery than the Porsche’s 93.4 kWh pack.
While one could argue the Taycan pushes for sustainable, repeatable performance—something Tesla has had issues with despite its impressive numbers—and that priority may have hurt its long-range distance on a charge, that doesn’t excuse how bad this all looks.
Seemingly in anticipation of poor EPA figures, Porsche has already done independent testing to try and improve the Taycan Turbo’s reputation. Porsche got AMCI testing to determine its own range estimates in various simulated real-world environments. The result was an estimated range of 275 miles:
[img]Graphic: AMCI TestingThe city-based estimate was even better, posting an estimated range of 288 miles. The average indicated range, or what the car was reporting its range to be, for the city/highway mix was 269 miles, and 283 for city only. You can read more about the parameters of the testing on AMCI’s website.
But still, 201 miles is the number Porsche has to put on the window sticker, and that is an abysmal knock on someone’s initial impression of the car. It leaves the Taycan Turbo, on paper, as one of the most expensive, lowest-range electric vehicles on the market with performance that’s still slightly behind Tesla’s top performer.
While most of us likely know by now that the EPA has extremely conservative range estimates for EVs, other automakers have figured out how to push past the 200 mile barrier by now, though I’m sure, in time, the Taycan’s EPA figure will slowly improve as the company finds new ways of gaining efficiency, just like with the Bolt I-Pace range upgrades earlier this year.
The Porsche Taycan Turbo's EPA Range Of 201 Miles Is So Bad Porsche Requested An Independent Test
Justin T. Westbrook
Today 12:30PM
[img]Photo: PorscheWhen the 2020 Porsche Taycan first debuted as the Mission E concept, the company claimed the car would achieve up to 300 miles of range. But today, the EPA announced its estimated range for the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo is just 201 miles, leading Porsche to go and do its own independent tests as damage control.
Porsche’s first fully electric car is here, and depending on whom you ask, it could be the most…
Read moreThe U.S. government’s fuel economy site lists the Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range capacity at just 201 miles—far shorter than the estimated 280-mile range of the European WLTP testing standard for the same car.
This ranks the Taycan Turbo worse on range in the U.S. than every current Tesla model, the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Audi E-Tron, and the Jaguar I-Pace. Nearly all of these vehicles feature a smaller battery than the Porsche’s 93.4 kWh pack.
While one could argue the Taycan pushes for sustainable, repeatable performance—something Tesla has had issues with despite its impressive numbers—and that priority may have hurt its long-range distance on a charge, that doesn’t excuse how bad this all looks.
Seemingly in anticipation of poor EPA figures, Porsche has already done independent testing to try and improve the Taycan Turbo’s reputation. Porsche got AMCI testing to determine its own range estimates in various simulated real-world environments. The result was an estimated range of 275 miles:
[img]Graphic: AMCI TestingThe city-based estimate was even better, posting an estimated range of 288 miles. The average indicated range, or what the car was reporting its range to be, for the city/highway mix was 269 miles, and 283 for city only. You can read more about the parameters of the testing on AMCI’s website.
But still, 201 miles is the number Porsche has to put on the window sticker, and that is an abysmal knock on someone’s initial impression of the car. It leaves the Taycan Turbo, on paper, as one of the most expensive, lowest-range electric vehicles on the market with performance that’s still slightly behind Tesla’s top performer.
While most of us likely know by now that the EPA has extremely conservative range estimates for EVs, other automakers have figured out how to push past the 200 mile barrier by now, though I’m sure, in time, the Taycan’s EPA figure will slowly improve as the company finds new ways of gaining efficiency, just like with the Bolt I-Pace range upgrades earlier this year.
12-12-19, 05:41 AM
#225
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
30000x2500 is a cool $75 MIL!