Vladi

This just shows you that BMW can't invest all over the place from Turbo petrol everything to quad turbo diesels, from RWD and FWD to XDRIVE and EV/PHEV on top of it all. It's just too much for them. Major automakers maybe have thought EV would be an easy slice of pie, who knows. It just shows how Tesla did awesome branding.

bitkahuna

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for all the tesla 'chaos' they've actually been pretty focused...

tiny volume roadster - proof of concept
larger volume 'luxury' (or premium) sedan - work out more kinks
x to have an suv - even though the falcon doors probably wasted them 10s or 100s of millions
high volume 3 - reduce cost everywhere possible, designed for high volume manufacturing
oh and have a joint venture to built a gigantic battery factory...

i'm not sure they should have gotten into roofing tiles, power walls, etc. though ... giant distractions from the cars that i doubt has made money.
and who can forget musk is trying to get to mars, sells psuedo flame throwers, bores miles and miles of tunnels under los angeles, and other wild projects
but apart from THOSE things ...

... pretty focused.

but tesla has a HUGE problem with repair waits and parts supply...

the 'broken tail light' saga that never ends...

-J-P-L-

I don't think we can realistically ever achieve the capacity in the world to be producing 100 million huge battery packs a year (global car sales). Imagine adding large trucks to the mix with much bigger batteries.
Aside from that, the idea that these batteries will ever get "cheap" because of volume is ludicrous. Have basic old tech AA and AAA batteries gotten cheap? Nope, they've always been expensive even though billions are made.

We're at a point where people are complaining that ICE cars have gotten way too expensive and we think electric cars are the answer? It's going to take much longer than people have been saying. Same goes for full autonomy.

LeX2K

Why can we make 100 million engines, transmissions, fuel tanks, emissions systems, catalytic converters etc. but not battery packs?

EZZ

Haha. Agree. Economies of scale will drive battery prices down for sure. They've only begun the leaning curve on extremely large scale manufacturing of these batteries.

peteharvey

I'm not gullible enough.
I don't completely buy their claims.
They say that if it sounds too good to be true, then it's not true.

Batteries on cell phone have dropped down to 80% capacity after 2 years.

Thus, I don't believe that Tesla batteries can hold onto 70% capacity at 8 years.
If Tesla batteries have dropped to 70% capacity by 8 years, it's as good as gone anyway.

Only time can tell whether a typical average Tesla battery can hold onto 70% at the 8 year mark, and 70% is as good as gone IMO.

If owners keep hi speed supercharging their battery packs, then the long term longevity and battery capacity will rapidly diminish even further.

If a good number of Tesla batteries fail to hold onto 70% capacity at the 8 year mark, Tesla could go into liquidation under a mountain of warranty claims - caused by optimistic battery longevity claims, to try to sell the Tesla EV in the first place.

Presently, I believe that Tesla = At least Sceptical, if not dodgy...

I think they said there's a shortage of rare earth metals?

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LeX2K

The chemistry in a mobile device battery is designed for maximum capacity and fast charging, the compromise is the battery has a short life.
Who is they? Are these same rare earth metals not used in a hybrid or conventional car?

Allen K

iTrader: (4)

Well it's a good thing people have been tracking the actual data then.

https://steinbuch.wordpress.com/2015...radation-data/

DaveGS4

iTrader: (2)

Wait, is BMW back to selling diesels? I thought they canceled them all in the US which is a pretty strong signal?

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/11/...d-states-2019/

EZZ

I did a lot of research before buying my Tesla due to all the misinformation that people have about battery tech. The battery management system that Tesla employs is faaar more advanced than something like an iPhone. Tesla can monitor each battery individually (Model 3 has around 4500 batteries) to make sure they equally charge and discharge at the same rate and can heat and cool the batteries to maximize efficiency and longevity.

Check out this education series in Tesla battery tech. Very informative.

-J-P-L-

You're comparing steel to lithium, copper, nickel, and other materials that are already at a shortage with the cars making up just 1% of sales so far?

mmarshall

Dave's correct. Lower demand, stricter regulations, and increasing emphasis on hybrids/electrics pretty much put the ax to American-market BMW diesels for 2019.

I myself was a fan of the current-generation BlueTec diesels. Lots of low-rpm torque, excellent fuel mileage, and tough-as-nails engine blocks, without most of the former diesel problems of decades ago....with only the need for periodic urea-solution fills. But the U.S. market is clearly focusing on electrification.

Hameed

Very good and concise summary my friend!

In spite of all the cons, I decided to take the plunge as the pros weigh more in my mind (I'm not here to debate with anyone). This is a personal decision and I am one ecstatic guy! I take delivery of a 2016 Model S 75D tomorrow!!

EZZ

Congrats. The performance reason alone was enough for me. You're gonna love it.

Hameed

Thanks! That was definitely one of the biggest pro's for me. I drove a 70D a couple of years ago and I was smitten in less than 5 minutes. I have waited 5 years in total to get one and my enthusiasm/desire to get one only increased over time. Anyone that is into cars and performance owes it to themselves to drive one. Its that simple. Your outlook on cars in general will change despite all the cons with electric cars (generally speaking).