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We do have Tesla shops in Virginia....one is at Tyson's Corner in the D.C. Suburbs, just a few miles from me. In the past, though, I haven't done a full-review there, though, because for a long time, they just didn't keep vehicles in stock, outside of one or two displays, in the stark, warehouse-like showroom. That no-stock policy might (?) be changing now, though, as they have gotten their production lines going.
that's the only one, and they're not 'dealers' they're just showrooms. and the lawsuit is still going on...
Virginia (2 stores, unclear if more would be denied)[edit]
In Virginia Tesla has obtained license from the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) for a single direct sales dealership (Tysons Corner). Upon learning of Tesla's attempt to obtain a second dealership in the state, the Virginia Automobile Dealers Association filed a lawsuit in March 2016 against both Tesla and the DMV to prevent the licensing of the second dealership.[94] In September 2016, the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles (VDMV) recommended ending Tesla direct sales, as at least 11 dealerships were interested in selling Tesla vehicles.[95] The VDMV later allowed Tesla to open another shop (Richmond), as Tesla has no dealerships to compete against;[96] the 11 interested dealerships would not be able to compete on undiscounted prices, as Tesla has the same price online and in shops.[97][98] Third-party profits could come from servicing as is traditional, but Tesla already has satisfactory servicing.[98][99]
The Virginia Automobile Dealers Association continues to use the legal system in an attempt to prevent Tesla from opening more than a single store and appealed the ruling by the Commissioner of the Department of Motor Vehicles allowing the second store to be opened.[100][101][102] However, in June 2019 a judge in the Richmond Circuit Court ruled against the Dealers Association.[103] The Dealers Association also had state Senators remove a governor-appointed Tesla employee from the Motor Vehicle Dealer Board, created in 1995, that regulates car dealers in the state.[104]
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I'm not quite sure you understand. What they have ARE dealerships....just company-owned ones, where, unlike private-franchise, Tesla has to pay all of the costs of running and maintaining them. That's why Bob Lutz (whom I greatly respect) forecast that they are essentially a company on borrowed time.
regular dealers pay everything for their dealerships but obviously the car maker gives up a huge amount of profit in return by reduced prices to the dealer, plus incentives, etc. teslas showrooms are simple, and service isn't done there.
The Virginia Automobile Dealers Association continues to use the legal system in an attempt to prevent Tesla from opening more than a single store and appealed the ruling by the Commissioner of the Department of Motor Vehicles allowing the second store to be opened
^^^^^ These people, IMO, need to get a life. Like it or not, Tesla is part of the automotive landscape, and is here to stay.....at least until they run out of cash and fold.
Realistically the adoption of fully electric vehicles just isn't feasible yet. Engineering Explained has an interesting video on youtube where he explains that it takes a Tesla Model x P100D 18 years to produce less carbon emissions than the average gasoline powered car depending on how green that states energy is. I couldn't imagine the negative environmental impacts it would have if manufactures switched over to fully elective vehicles anytime soon.
Realistically the adoption of fully electric vehicles just isn't feasible yet. Engineering Explained has an interesting video on youtube where he explains that it takes a Tesla Model x P100D 18 years to produce less carbon emissions than the average gasoline powered car depending on how green that states energy is. I couldn't imagine the negative environmental impacts it would have if manufactures switched over to fully elective vehicles anytime soon.
Burning fossil fuel was never feasible long term because it is finite. I watched the vid in question a while back you cherry picked the worst case scenario.
and yet we have more reserves than ever. “Peak oil” has been predicted for decades... still isn’t happening.
I hope you realize the difference between what is being discovered and how much is actually left.The answer to the 2nd is less and less there is no new oil being created.
1) BEV's, especially those with big batteries like the Tesla Model S P100 on production, produce much more carbon emissions.
It's not the EV chassis that produces carbon emission on production, but the battery packs, especially the big 100 kWh battery packs.
2) However, the chassis and driveline production carbon emissions is relatively small compared to the carbon produced when both ICEV's and EV's are running day to day.
Once running day to day, the ICEV's quickly produce much more carbon pollution than EV's!
Furthermore, this production of carbon emissions depends on the State, and the amount of non-fossil fuel burning renewable electricity production like: solar, wind, ocean waves, hydraulic and geothermal etc.
Idaho is a very green electricity producing state, thus CO2 emissions from production and running of BEVs is very low.
On the other hand, West Virgina produces a lot of CO2 emissions, such that running BEVs produces a lot of carbon pollution.
3) Below is map of which states would benefit most with BEV's, and which states would benefit most with traditional ICEVs - depending on their method of electricity generation via modern non-fossil fuel renewable electricity generation like solar, wind, hydroelectric etc, as opposed to traditional fossil fuel burning electricity generation via coal etc.
Presently in the USA, NON of the states have a green color coding to indicate lower carbon emissions if traditional ICEVs are used.
BEV's are definitely here to stay. The only question is "when", or roughly what year, BEV sales will outnumber ICEV sales.
It will take some time before BEVs outsell traditional ICEVs, hence the validity of BMW's claims that EVs are overhyped, and likewise the validity of TMC's chassis and driveline sharing with the likes of Subaru BRZ, BMW Z4 and Madza RWD in-line six...
Lithium mining is not exactly clean, done on a large scale it is very destructive to the environment, same with nickel mining/refining. There are only so many resources on the planet for all types of vehicles including electrics, electrics are charged often through use of non renewable/dirty resources. There is no free lunch when it comes to electrics either, they aren't going to save the planet.
Lithium, cobalt, nickel etc. are used in thousand of machines and products if you're against mining then you'll have to stop using just about everything in your daily life.
Burning fossil fuel was never feasible long term because it is finite. I watched the vid in question a while back you cherry picked the worst case scenario.
I just watched this video again and I must disagree with his starting factor.
He states that he is going to start with a common vehicle production baseline of 10 tonnes of CO2 for both the ICE vehicle (with engine) and the EV (without the battery), despite the fact that he states that it is known that producing the EV without the battery produces less CO2 emissions than producing the ICE vehicle with engine and transmission. The ICE vehicle has been given a head start.
How much of a head start is not known because the CO2 emissions for producing an engine and transmission is not given in the video.
So, how much emissions does mining and refining of bauxite into aluminum for the engine block produce, not to mention transporting of the bauxite from the large producers such as Australia, China, Guinea, India,... and production into an engine block?
Originally Posted by Lexus2000
Lithium, cobalt, nickel etc. are used in thousand of machines and products if you're against mining then you'll have to stop using just about everything in your daily life.
There was a claim some years back that the large GM Hummer SUV was more environmentally friendly than the Prius. One of the arguments used old pictures of Sudbury, Ontario, Canada (where nickel is mined) that showed how barren and dirty Sudbury was. (There are jokes and conspiracy theories that NASA never sent the Apollo missions to the Moon, and that Neil Armstrong and the other astronauts actually stepped foot in the tailings piles in Sudbury.) Sudbury has, in fact, cleaned up its mine waste areas and planted many trees, but that would not have suited the purpose of that false claim.
Yes, nickel is used in Toyota's hybrid vehicle batteries, but it is also a key component of stainless steel. So, if you wish to avoid using nickel, you must stop using stainless steel, which is in just about everything we use on a daily basis -- our cars, and our knives, forks and spoons. Give up driving. Give up using our western eating utensils or use plastic knives, forks and spoons... which are made from plastics derived from petroleum.
I hope you realize the difference between what is being discovered and how much is actually left.The answer to the 2nd is less and less there is no new oil being created.
just out of curiosity, i did a quick calc of oil reserves (1.6T) vs daily global consumption (100M) which gives about 43 years to run out of current known reserves at current rates of consumption.
now it's hard to say how consumption will go, but it seems possible it will go down with electric cars, but gas vehicles aren't going anywhere any time soon.
of course there's also the vast amounts of natural gas too...
Thanks. Does that high Canadian number also include the (potential) barrels derived from the shale that is is abundant in the Canadian Rockies? Or don't you know?
Although it is no secret that Venezuela's Lake Maraicabo region has been oil-rich for decades, its numbers exceeding that of the Saudis are still quite surprising. And yet the country remains in a famine, on the verge of bankrupcy....but I guess that is a subject for another thread.
Lithium, cobalt, nickel etc. are used in thousand of machines and products if you're against mining then you'll have to stop using just about everything in your daily life.
When did I say I was against mining? I just said mining for these minerals and refining them is/can be very damaging to the environment too, especially on a large scale not to mention the amount of extra electricity and extra powerplants hundreds of millions of electric vehicles are going to require when they are charged daily/nightly. Electric vehicles are not going to save the planet. I believe the choice in vehicles and powerplants should be consumer driven, not forced by politicians/gov with a clear agenda.
'building steam' - that was unintentionally funny.
despite all the tesla noise, electric vehicle sales are tiny. large adoption simply won't happen until the vehicles are cheaper, charging is faster, range is longer.
And that's exactly where BEV technology is headed.
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Like it or not, Tesla is part of the automotive landscape, and is here to stay.....at least until they run out of cash and fold.
