Tesla Model 2 will be small version of Model Y, could hit 700k sales in 2025, analysts say

"Tesla’s much anticipated next model, often referred to as the Model 2, may not be far away: Analysts predict it will be a smaller version of the Model Y electric crossover and say Tesla could deliver 700,000 units as early as 2025"

"Morgan Stanley predicts Tesla’s new model will be launched in late 2024 with 300,000 units delivered in 2025. But it notes that EV-volumes.com’s Viktor Irle is predicting Model 2 could sell 700,000 units by the end of 2025 with most of these being sold in China and Europe"

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/11/tesl...-analysts-say/

 

I have a feeling the "Model 2" will be departure from the Y, its own thing.

Here's an example of FSD doing well but still making a wrong choice. Safe, but wrong. This is not a compute problem at all, not to say more compute is bad. I watch FSD vids in the background frequently every mistake I see is simply software needing to evolve. Put another way in my view hardware is 2% of the challenge software 98%.

 

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@LexsCTJill what does this mean? 🤔🤔

 

@LeX2K could u start a separate discussion on self on EV self driving tech? I think it warrants its own thread...

 

You would think a model 2 would be a smaller sedan/hatchback, while a smaller version of the Y would be the Z.

 

We actually still don't know what the Model 2 will be based on. Will it be a small 3, Y, a cuv etc. Everything at this point is just speculation coming from leaks

 

What this means to me is... thank God I placed my order before prices start going back up! I spoke to the credit union that's financing my Y to give them my updated delivery dates, and my rep told me that they are buried in Tesla loan applications. It takes her 3 to 5 days just to return my call or email. That tells me Tesla is doing really, really well!

 

If a moderator wants to make one they can or we could wait until the EV forum is open.

 

Real question here, if FSD isn’t a hardware problem what’s the big deal with going to HW4? Shouldn’t my current hardware be enough since FSD has been promised for years? I thought I would be good buying a 2022 but feel with HW4 that my car is obsolete in a year from a hardware perspective.

 

Better hardware (especially cameras) is for low light, bad weather that kind of thing. As for new FSD silicon you'll have to ask Tesla why they need it, or if they do and why they are going with faster processors. Maybe I'm wrong and Tesla does need more compute to "solve" full self driving but remember all the improvements (which are drastic) we've seen have been through software.

Let's assume it turns out the hardware has to be 5x faster, that still doesn't change the fact that FSD is all about software. This is compelling evidence more hardware doesn't solve full self driving.

 

I have a strange feeling the older cars like mine won’t get true FSD and will have to upgrade to another car. Not a big deal for me because I don’t mind actually driving my and think standard autopilot is fine since I don’t take long trips in my car.

 

Even if FSD issues are all fixed, I wouldn't get it. I prefer as well to drive myself and only require autopilot when on long trips

 

I use autopilot on both very short, short and long trips. 😃

 

Hardware and software are part of same solution, i am not sure what are you trying to point out. Software is written to drive the hardware and software limits will be also imposed by hardware. So far Tesla has degraded hardware so obviously all the improvements are driven by software - this is probably first time they are improving and not degrading their sensor suite.

I thought you actually had a Tesla?

I drive using autopilot and autosteer a lot. There was a massive step back when Tesla disabled radars on all of their vehicles 6+ months ago. They are still not back in many ways where they were, and first few months have really been bad and even dangerous. I feel last release have been the best one, but definitely not smooth yet.