Tesla business discussion
01-19-23, 01:05 PM
#511
I test-drove the Model Y today @ the Long Island Tesla service center. It is the dual motor performance model based on the ride height and wheel. Power is OK but does not feel like 3.5s from 0-60. So it is either not the performance or Tesla limited the power output. They also limited it up to 85 MPH for the test drive.
Well, the result is: I'm not impressed with the performance or the driving experience. No engine noise, but a lot of wind noise once it hit 40+. The suspension is stiff even in chill mode. It will be a massive downgrade from the LX; thus, a no-no for me. It can be an efficient replacement for my wife's old RX, but absolutely not a replacement for the LX.
Well, the result is: I'm not impressed with the performance or the driving experience. No engine noise, but a lot of wind noise once it hit 40+. The suspension is stiff even in chill mode. It will be a massive downgrade from the LX; thus, a no-no for me. It can be an efficient replacement for my wife's old RX, but absolutely not a replacement for the LX.
01-19-23, 01:36 PM
#512
Pole Position
I test-drove the Model Y today @ the Long Island Tesla service center. It is the dual motor performance model based on the ride height and wheel. Power is OK but does not feel like 3.5s from 0-60. So it is either not the performance or Tesla limited the power output. They also limited it up to 85 MPH for the test drive.
Well, the result is: I'm not impressed with the performance or the driving experience. No engine noise, but a lot of wind noise once it hit 40+. The suspension is stiff even in chill mode. It will be a massive downgrade from the LX; thus, a no-no for me. It can be an efficient replacement for my wife's old RX, but absolutely not a replacement for the LX.
Well, the result is: I'm not impressed with the performance or the driving experience. No engine noise, but a lot of wind noise once it hit 40+. The suspension is stiff even in chill mode. It will be a massive downgrade from the LX; thus, a no-no for me. It can be an efficient replacement for my wife's old RX, but absolutely not a replacement for the LX.
And I'm not being snarky here, but I'm not understanding why you'd go into a Model Y thinking it would be similar to the LX acting as a replacement? They couldn't possibly be further apart on the spectrum.
01-19-23, 01:44 PM
#513
Lexus Champion
Have to admit I thought the Tesla Semi would never happen, at least not before every other thing Tesla was working on becomes reality. Seems like I am alone in this, I HATE diesel the fumes cause cancer and all kinds of health problems. There is no such thing as clean diesel.
The more of these polluters we get of the road the better can't happen soon enough.
The more of these polluters we get of the road the better can't happen soon enough.
01-19-23, 01:49 PM
#514
I own an LX570 and a Model Y Performance (2021, just bought 4 weeks ago). The Y Performance is neck-snapping fast. Something feels off if you didn't experience that.
And I'm not being snarky here, but I'm not understanding why you'd go into a Model Y thinking it would be similar to the LX acting as a replacement? They couldn't possibly be further apart on the spectrum.
And I'm not being snarky here, but I'm not understanding why you'd go into a Model Y thinking it would be similar to the LX acting as a replacement? They couldn't possibly be further apart on the spectrum.
In my case, wifey does not want to replace her RX yet. I don't need another car, and it is not wise financially to keep both the LX and Model Y. I will need to let go of the LX if I pull the trigger. After the test drive, I decided to keep the LX as it would serve the family and me better.
01-19-23, 01:50 PM
#515
Lexus Champion
Have to admit I thought the Tesla Semi would never happen, at least not before every other thing Tesla was working on becomes reality. Seems like I am alone in this, I HATE diesel the fumes cause cancer and all kinds of health problems. There is no such thing as clean diesel.
The more of these polluters we get of the road the better can't happen soon enough.
The more of these polluters we get of the road the better can't happen soon enough.
01-19-23, 02:00 PM
#516
Lexus Champion
If I was a truck driver, I would rather drive an instant torque truck like the Semi. I once drove a diesel powered moving truck that was nowhere the size of an 18-wheeler, and it was painful, especially when hitting inclines. Plus I don't think there is anyone that would want to breath in diesel fumes, which is why the coal rollers push their fumes on everybody else but themselves
Regenerative braking would be incredibly valuable hauling loads out of the sticks, the roads you are on are barely roads and steep. Brakes fail and you're finished.
01-19-23, 02:55 PM
#517
Lexus Champion
Model 2 News
Daniel Zlatev, Published 01/19/2023
E-MobilityInstead of a "flying" Roadster 2 (in the words of Tesla's design chief) whose preorders reopened last year, Tesla may release its mass market Model 2 first, again according to its design head Franz von Holzhausen. Pressed on the Roadster 2 launch, he admitted in an interview that the project may have gone to the back burner at Tesla as, apparently, "mass electrification" is now the automaker's main goal.
We’re developing the car. I think you know we have priorities as a company, and the priorities are mass electrification. And Roadster is not a mass product. So, unfortunately, you know it takes its kind of position, but we are working on it in earnest. And I think the time that we’ve taken had enabled us to really improve on basically every metric that we set out to establish when we first debuted that.
Such a target strategy can only be achieved with a mass market electric vehicle like the Model 2 which, according to Elon Musk, will be smaller than the Model 3, but cost twice less to manufacture. Tesla is exploring several avenues to reach the coveted US$25,000 Model 2 price point such as removing part redundancies and upgrading production facilities. In the previous 5-year period, it managed to more than halve its average production costs per vehicle from US$84,000 to the US$36,000 a Tesla costs to make now.
According to its head of investor relations Martin Viecha, in the current 5-year period that runs until 2027, the most important factor for cutting production costs yet again is increasing the share of newer and more efficient Gigafactories such as those in Texas, Shanghai, or Berlin, in the overall production mix. This has to happen while Tesla is upgrading its legacy production facilities and opening new ones, too.
The rumored Mexican Gigafactory, for instance, is reportedly going to serve as a hub for Tesla Model 2 production with up to US$10 billion investment when all of its expansions are finalized. The Gigafactory in Nuevo León is reportedly going to make parts for the Cybertruck and Model Y at first, given its proximity to Giga Texas.
However, "in future phases it would be a new model with a lower cost than the current ones," according to local officials privy to the plans who may ultimately be referring to the Model 2 production which Tesla's design chief informed has taken precedence before the Roadster 2 launch.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cheape....682927.0.html
Cheaper Model 2 release to precede Roadster 2 as Tesla shifts focus to mass EV adoption
The 'flying' but expensive Roadster 2 may have been put on the back burner as Tesla is now focused on winning back market share with 'mass electrification' instead. In the face of increased competition, Tesla may be planning to release its cheaper Model 2 first and then move to premium projects like the new Roadster.Daniel Zlatev, Published 01/19/2023
E-MobilityInstead of a "flying" Roadster 2 (in the words of Tesla's design chief) whose preorders reopened last year, Tesla may release its mass market Model 2 first, again according to its design head Franz von Holzhausen. Pressed on the Roadster 2 launch, he admitted in an interview that the project may have gone to the back burner at Tesla as, apparently, "mass electrification" is now the automaker's main goal.
We’re developing the car. I think you know we have priorities as a company, and the priorities are mass electrification. And Roadster is not a mass product. So, unfortunately, you know it takes its kind of position, but we are working on it in earnest. And I think the time that we’ve taken had enabled us to really improve on basically every metric that we set out to establish when we first debuted that.
Such a target strategy can only be achieved with a mass market electric vehicle like the Model 2 which, according to Elon Musk, will be smaller than the Model 3, but cost twice less to manufacture. Tesla is exploring several avenues to reach the coveted US$25,000 Model 2 price point such as removing part redundancies and upgrading production facilities. In the previous 5-year period, it managed to more than halve its average production costs per vehicle from US$84,000 to the US$36,000 a Tesla costs to make now.
According to its head of investor relations Martin Viecha, in the current 5-year period that runs until 2027, the most important factor for cutting production costs yet again is increasing the share of newer and more efficient Gigafactories such as those in Texas, Shanghai, or Berlin, in the overall production mix. This has to happen while Tesla is upgrading its legacy production facilities and opening new ones, too.
The rumored Mexican Gigafactory, for instance, is reportedly going to serve as a hub for Tesla Model 2 production with up to US$10 billion investment when all of its expansions are finalized. The Gigafactory in Nuevo León is reportedly going to make parts for the Cybertruck and Model Y at first, given its proximity to Giga Texas.
However, "in future phases it would be a new model with a lower cost than the current ones," according to local officials privy to the plans who may ultimately be referring to the Model 2 production which Tesla's design chief informed has taken precedence before the Roadster 2 launch.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cheape....682927.0.html
01-19-23, 04:00 PM
#519
It was nice and dry 8am this morning in Syosset. No rain.
I'm pretty sure 0-60MPH in 3.5s is fast as hell. No doubt about it. It's just that the one I test-drove this morning was likely not a MYP or was restricted.
In my case, wifey does not want to replace her RX yet. I don't need another car, and it is not wise financially to keep both the LX and Model Y. I will need to let go of the LX if I pull the trigger. After the test drive, I decided to keep the LX as it would serve the family and me better.
I'm pretty sure 0-60MPH in 3.5s is fast as hell. No doubt about it. It's just that the one I test-drove this morning was likely not a MYP or was restricted.
In my case, wifey does not want to replace her RX yet. I don't need another car, and it is not wise financially to keep both the LX and Model Y. I will need to let go of the LX if I pull the trigger. After the test drive, I decided to keep the LX as it would serve the family and me better.
Even LR will feel very fast.
01-19-23, 04:46 PM
#520
Lexus Champion
Why is Tesla so secretive of their mass market car? This is exactly the opposite of every other model.
01-19-23, 05:03 PM
#521
Pole Position
Could be tied in to the impact of the tax credit and how that might factor into hitting the target price points. Plus of course the general impact of supply chain cost increases offsetting some of the manufacturing cost saving optimizations.
To focus on price, Tesla could hit the target 25k price for most customers with a 32.5k MSRP assuming that many and likely most buyers would qualify for the credit. They could price the Model 2 at just under 37.5 k and still, for most buyers, drive to an effective cost to the customer of under 30k. Seems to me to be the smarter play here. Price it at over 30k and position it as effectively 25k for most customers most of the time. No one is going to feel bad for a buyer who doesn’t get the credit as they are above the income thresholds.
To focus on price, Tesla could hit the target 25k price for most customers with a 32.5k MSRP assuming that many and likely most buyers would qualify for the credit. They could price the Model 2 at just under 37.5 k and still, for most buyers, drive to an effective cost to the customer of under 30k. Seems to me to be the smarter play here. Price it at over 30k and position it as effectively 25k for most customers most of the time. No one is going to feel bad for a buyer who doesn’t get the credit as they are above the income thresholds.
01-20-23, 04:42 AM
#522
Pole Position
It was nice and dry 8am this morning in Syosset. No rain.
I'm pretty sure 0-60MPH in 3.5s is fast as hell. No doubt about it. It's just that the one I test-drove this morning was likely not a MYP or was restricted.
In my case, wifey does not want to replace her RX yet. I don't need another car, and it is not wise financially to keep both the LX and Model Y. I will need to let go of the LX if I pull the trigger. After the test drive, I decided to keep the LX as it would serve the family and me better.
I'm pretty sure 0-60MPH in 3.5s is fast as hell. No doubt about it. It's just that the one I test-drove this morning was likely not a MYP or was restricted.
In my case, wifey does not want to replace her RX yet. I don't need another car, and it is not wise financially to keep both the LX and Model Y. I will need to let go of the LX if I pull the trigger. After the test drive, I decided to keep the LX as it would serve the family and me better.
01-20-23, 05:00 AM
#523
Pole Position
01-20-23, 05:51 AM
#524
We've had our LX for 7 years. I like it, but I don't really enjoy driving it unless it's on a road trip. The reasons I like it are more about it being insanely reliable and the overall size of the vehicle for our family 90% of the time (the remaining 10% I hate, because I hate how little room I have in the back due to jump seats). Anyway, I just have never viewed it as a pleasurable vehicle to do anything other than a road trip in. The Tesla Y is the exact opposite. It's a blast to drive - but I prob wouldn't do more than a 3 hour road trip in it. I don't view one vehicle as a replacement for the other. Ditching your RX for the Y is more comparable size wise. But it'll never make sense as a straight up replacement for the LX. The Rivian R1S could act as that replacement.
01-20-23, 07:46 AM
#525
Lexus Champion
We've had our LX for 7 years. I like it, but I don't really enjoy driving it unless it's on a road trip. The reasons I like it are more about it being insanely reliable and the overall size of the vehicle for our family 90% of the time (the remaining 10% I hate, because I hate how little room I have in the back due to jump seats). Anyway, I just have never viewed it as a pleasurable vehicle to do anything other than a road trip in. The Tesla Y is the exact opposite. It's a blast to drive - but I prob wouldn't do more than a 3 hour road trip in it. I don't view one vehicle as a replacement for the other. Ditching your RX for the Y is more comparable size wise. But it'll never make sense as a straight up replacement for the LX. The Rivian R1S could act as that replacement.