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Old 02-03-23, 12:06 PM
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I read the news about the $80k cap, but I thought the issue of the Y and Mach-E just a couple months ago was the vehicles didn't weigh enough to be classified as SUV? I'm happy that these vehicles qualify but am just confused as to what changed (other than top end price)..?
They are switching to the classification used on the window sticker, rather than the CAFE specifications.
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Amazing how the IRS suddenly does a 180 when Elon drops the price below the $55k limit. I'm sure the other market players were complaining about their profit margins if they dropped their prices to compete. Will be interesting to see if Tesla and Ford raise prices again.
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Amazing how the IRS suddenly does a 180 when Elon drops the price below the $55k limit. I'm sure the other market players were complaining about their profit margins if they dropped their prices to compete. Will be interesting to see if Tesla and Ford raise prices again.
I was thinking the same thing. Either way Tesla can swing the hammer at any time and squeeze their competition. In other news sanity has prevailed, the cry babies that bought TSLA and sold too early tried to blame Elon didn't work.

U.S. jury finds Tesla and Musk not liable in case over take-private tweet

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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
I read the news about the $80k cap, but I thought the issue of the Y and Mach-E just a couple months ago was the vehicles didn't weigh enough to be classified as SUV? I'm happy that these vehicles qualify but am just confused as to what changed (other than top end price)..?
It wasn’t weight, it was more about some Y and Mach E models not meeting enough requirements around utility specifications to qualify under the 80K rules. It’s all rendered moot with the MSRP change. The US manufacture requirement is still there so broadly it should now work better as intended - incentivizing the sale of more US-built electric vehicles.
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Mach E is made in Mexico.
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Requirement is North America to be more specific
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Requirement is North America to be more specific
which includes mexico
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Could have sworn the bill said had to be made in the U.S. with a bunch of other conditions but they keep changing the rules.

Tesla Megapacks qualify for sure.
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And Tesla raises prices again. Government needs to get out of the market and let it do it's thing without intervention.

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Police chief explains how Tesla Model Y patrol car will save them $80,000



The police chief of Somerset in Wisconsin explained in detail why his police department decided to go electric with a Tesla Model Y patrol car and how he expects the single electric vehicle will save the town $80,000.

There are an impressive number of police departments around the world realizing that electric vehicles are the perfect solution to both reduce the operating cost and the environmental impact of their patrol vehicles.

The Somerset PD is one of those police departments and, like many of the departments going electric, they went with Tesla vehicles – more specifically, the Model Y.

Joel Trepczyk, Somerset PD Chief, explained in detail the reasoning behind buying the Tesla Model Y.

He made it clear that they chose the Model Y for financial reasons. He said in an interview with Police 1 News:
We specifically choose the Tesla Model Y for the financial benefits.
The chief listed the main benefits of the Model Y:
  • No oil changes
  • Regenerative braking
  • Battery designed for 500,000 miles
  • Drivetrain/motors designed for 1,000,000 miles
  • Five-year/125,000 mile drivetrain and battery warranty
  • Most are American-made vehicles
  • Highest crash test rating
  • Superior performance
  • Long vehicle life
The Model Y cost the department $60,000, though they had some subsidies and help to acquire it, but more importantly, Trepczyk believes Somerset PD will save over $80,000 over 10 years thanks to these benefits to the cost of operation:
The vehicle was purchased using American Rescue Plan Act funds. We also applied funding from an LEA grant, as well as donations to the purchase. The purchase price of the vehicle was around $60,000. More importantly, it’s projected to save our village over $80,000 throughout its 10-year duty cycle.
The chief says that the officers are so far liking the Model Y and choosing it over the other patrol cars.

With about 300 miles of range, distance is not an issue. Most of the police department’s officers average 30 to 60 miles per shift. The department had a Tesla Wall Connector installed at the station where the vehicle can be charged when needed.





Somerset PD is not the first police department that is finding EVs to be a much cheaper solution for patrol vehicles.

Even if the sticker price is higher, the cost of operation is so much cheaper that the vehicle pays for itself in no time.

A police department that purchased a Model 3 found that the difference in price with the usual Ford vehicle they would buy for police patrol can be paid for in 6 to 18 months depending on use.

https://electrek.co/2023/02/06/polic...car-will-save/

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Looks goofy with the push bar criminals will start laughing and subdue themselves. Gas powered police cruisers get near zero mpg because they idle so much EVs are vastly better here.
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Hopefully they got the Model Y Performance model.

Regardless, $80,000 seems like a lot of operational costs for a car over 10 years. Does that seem accurate? I figure police officers are hard on their cars but I feel that even if I was hard on my cars over 10 years I'm not sure I would hit $80,000 but who knows because I haven't kept any of my daily drivers that long. I also wonder how much the Y costs over a typical police car.
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Trepczyk believes Somerset PD will save over $80,000 over 10 years thanks to these benefits to the cost of operation:
Over 10 years. Headline is off

a current gas police car in a metropolitan area can run 24/7. Down time is never good
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Hopefully they got the Model Y Performance model.

Regardless, $80,000 seems like a lot of operational costs for a car over 10 years. Does that seem accurate? I figure police officers are hard on their cars but I feel that even if I was hard on my cars over 10 years I'm not sure I would hit $80,000 but who knows because I haven't kept any of my daily drivers that long. I also wonder how much the Y costs over a typical police car.
Don't know about a small city like this, but in the bigger departments they are very hard on their cars. My wife's nephew is in the San Mateo Sheriff's' department, and they replace their SUV's every few years due to the wear and tear on them. Not only do they drive them hard, but they idle them a lot which is not good for the engine
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Don't know about a small city like this, but in the bigger departments they are very hard on their cars. My wife's nephew is in the San Mateo Sheriff's' department, and they replace their SUV's every few years due to the wear and tear on them. Not only do they drive them hard, but they idle them a lot which is not good for the engine
So maybe the $80,000 includes the cost of additional cars vs. keeping the same car over 10 years, that makes more sense to me.
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