AMIRZA786

Yeah, no thanks, I have no interest in FSD. Tesla has been collecting data for years and each update makes FSD better, but 1) prefer to drive myself and 2) I have no interest signing any legal documents giving Tesla the right to disable my car if I drive like an a-hole

patgilm

This sounds dumb but I would almost rather have a motor replacement, at least I wouldn't see or hear it. I've always been leary of having my dash taken apart since I have to live in that area when I am driving and never trust someone taking it all apart. When I have my 08 GX470 it had the infamous dash rattle and rather then having them take apart my dash, I lived with the minor rattle because who know what other rattles would pop up. Crossing my fingers...

AMIRZA786

I know what you mean! At least it sounds like it's a sensor and not your cooling/heating system itself. They may just totally replace your dash, which would be great. I had the infamous "sticky dash" issue with my IS350, and Lexus changed my whole dash with no issues. My IS350 dash is probably more complicated than the one in your Plaid as they had to take out the whole center console as well as the infotainment system

Margate330

Yeah, I want to drive myself too.
And- NO! ,nobody will be disabling my car nor would I pay extra for it, but that's just me.

Edit:
PS- OTA updates is a discussion for another thread but I have ideas on that too.

signdetres

Yup, I wanted the S Long Range but ultimately my significant other made a case for the Model X that I couldn’t disagree with. We ended up going Plaid instead of Long Range because it was only ~$3000 more after building the LR with the white interior and six seat configuration. At that price point, it didn’t feel right not just getting the Plaid over that small of a price difference.

We placed an order but I’m really nervous due to HW4 being right around the corner. If it comes and still has HW3 we will 100% not accept delivery and will have to re-order once it’s more official or guaranteed to arrive with HW4.

Either way, I’ll definitely do a write up comparing it to the Model Y. I’m sure it’ll be quite an upgrade, especially speed wise.

AMIRZA786

My significant other, aka the wife asked why I'm not looking at or considering the Model X. I showed her the price, and her eyes got wide, and she shook her head and walked away. I was hoping she would say go ahead, it's a once in a lifetime purchase we will be using over the next 10 years, but she hasn't brought it up again

Toys4RJill

that is unfortunate and too bad. It always sucks when your car breaks or has an issue. It will be interesting to see how they fix it, and how it differs from a gas car. Keep me posted if you don’t mind. I will also be interested know if they share with you the cost on the invoice and see what that would be.

good luck

LeX2K

One of the worst kept secrets

Tesla's Musk to hold call with Mexico president, factory announcement imminent

AMIRZA786

The recent leaks of Tesla’s Hardware 4 computer provided a pretty clear teaser of the upcoming changes coming to the electric vehicle maker’s Autopilot unit. While there is still much to be learned about HW4, the leaks suggest that the number of cameras in Tesla’s electric vehicles may be increased to 11.

Hardware 4, as its name suggests, is Tesla’s next-generation Autopilot computer. Elon Musk noted during the Q4 and FY 2022 earnings call that HW4 should be capable of operating 500% to 600% safer than a human driver. The existing Hardware 3 computer being rolled out to vehicles like the Model 3 and Model Y today are equipped with Hardware 3, which Musk noted should be capable of operating 200% to 300% safer than a human driver.

HARDWARE 4 AND TESLA VISION

Considering the electric vehicle maker’s focus on Tesla Vision, it is pertinent for FSD and Autopilot to see and analyze road conditions very well in real-time. With this in mind, and as per the Hardware 4 leaks that were recently posted on Twitter by prolific Tesla hacker @greentheonly, it would appear that the electric vehicle maker is increasing the number of its cameras to 11.


A look at the Hardware 4 computer would show 12 fully-populated camera connectors, with one being marked as “Spare.” Of the remaining 11, one will still be used for the cabin camera while ten will be used for the vehicle’s exterior. This is not surprising at all as the company adopts a similar system with its existing eight-camera layout for its vehicles today.

HARDWARE 3 VS. HARDWARE 4 CAMERAS

For context, Tesla’s existing layout features an eight-camera setup: one above the rear license plate, one in each door pillar, three mounted on the windshield above the rearview mirror, and one mounted to each front fender. A radar unit and ultrasonic sensors were also used in the past, though Tesla phased these out as the company focused on its development of Tesla Vision.

The leaked Hardware 4 images list the cameras as the following: “F-SVC,” “L-SVC,” “R-SVC,” “L-FF-Rear,” “R-FF-Rear,” “L-FF-Side,” “R-FF-Side,” “Wide,” “Main,” “Backup,” and “Selfie.” As per the Tesla hacker, the names are a bit cryptic, but based on how they are listed, one could speculate where the cameras will be placed in a Tesla equipped with a Hardware 4 computer.

POTENTIAL HARDWARE 4 CAMERA PLACEMENTS

Immediately noticeable in the leaked images are the three cameras marked “F-SVC,” “L-SVC,” and “R-SVC.” The Tesla Parts Catalog shows that “SVC” refers to vehicle bumpers, so with these in mind, it would appear that Hardware 4 would be using three bumper cameras. Considering the references to “F,” “L,” and “R” SVC placements, the Tesla hacker noted that one of the Hardware 4 cameras might be placed in the front bumper, while two may be placed on both sides of the rear bumpers for cross traffic.

Also notable are the Hardware 4 camera slots listed as “FF.” A total of four cameras are listed with these letters: “L-FF-Rear,” “R-FF-Rear,” “L-FF-Side,” and “R-FF-Side.” The Tesla hacker speculated that “FF” might refer to “Front Fender,” which would suggest that the cameras in the pillar may be moved to the front fender. Other Tesla watchers, however, have suggested that “FF” may also mean “Front Facing,” “Full-Frame” for higher resolution images, or “Far Field.”

NO BLIND SPOTS AND 360-DEGREE-VIEW

If the Hardware 4 leaks are accurate, it would suggest that Tesla would be increasing the number of cameras by two as it rolls out vehicles that are equipped with its new Autopilot computer. Comparing the existing camera setup in Hardware 3 and the potential setup of Hardware 4, it would appear that the new cameras will be those placed in the rear bumper. This may also suggest that the ultrasonic sensors that were phased out in the rear bumpers might be replaced with cameras.

Considering the potential setup of the Hardware 4 cameras, it would appear that Tesla would finally be rolling out a 360-degree view of its vehicles, which is a highly-requested feature among owners. It would also mean that some blind spots in existing cars would be addressed. Overall, Hardware 4 might not just be a step up in performance; it might also be a notable step up in safety and vision.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-hard...mera-analysis/

patgilm

Do it! They have a Y in the showroom here and I was checking it out. I feel like the seats are a little more comfortable than my car, they seem softer. I also sat in an X they have outside of the showroom, seems like a pretty cool car. If you are keeping it for 10 years I would get the X!

AMIRZA786

I'm seriously contemplating it. It's going to depend on what my portfolio looks like in June/July as I would have to at least finance it 50 percent from my own funds. With interest rates the way they are right now, it would be a pretty high monthly payment

patgilm

Well after sitting here for 6.5 hours I just found out that my car won't be ready in the 4-6 hour time frame they said and wont be ready until Monday no now I have a loaner. I don't know why it took me to ask them what the status of my car was before they were able to offer me a loaner and tell me that it wouldn't be ready today. This is the part that frustrates me, it's simple communication. Did they just find out it wasn't going to be ready when I walked up to them to ask? Also, why not have a loaner for me when I bring the car in if you know it's going to be 4-6 hours or even longer. Did they think $100 a day ridehare credits were going to last me the weekend with my kids activities? WTF! This is even a new service center that just opened and not one of my previous service centers. Now I'm annoyed...

AMIRZA786

Polestar has this issue as well. Some service centers are amazing, like the Los Angeles and San Jose Polestar repair facilities, but in other states and countries, they suck and sometimes don't know what they are doing. For example next week Polestar of San Jose (actually Volvo of Palo Alto) is installing a kick sensor that opens my trunky when I use my foot, they first thing they asked me is do I need a loaner. Other Polestar owners in different states and countries have different experiences.

In your case they probably need to change a part that won't be there until Monday. They should have arranged a loaner for you just based on the time frame they quoted you in the beginning. I would file a complaint with Tesla directly

LeX2K

Version 4 creates a whole pile of headaches for the coders, now they have to maintain a codebase for the legacy and new stuff. To what extent this will create more work I can't say but more than zero.

Toys4RJill

sounds like inexperience at the service dealer. They probably should’ve known better than to have you wait, or even suggest you wait. Under promising and over delivering goes a long way.