Tesla business discussion
#3
Lexus Fanatic
In principle, I see little difference between doing that and siphoning someone's gas....except that a house can't run out of electricity and leave an empty tank behind.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California (which has a decent network), the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California (which has a decent network), the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-26-19 at 08:24 PM.
#4
Lexus Test Driver
In principle, I see little difference between doing that and siphoning someone's gas....except that a house can't run out electricity and leave an empty tank behind.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California, the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California, the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
#5
Lead Lap
In principle, I see little difference between doing that and siphoning someone's gas....except that a house can't run out of electricity and leave an empty tank behind.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California (which has a decent network), the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
But this is a perfect example, IMO, of why we, nationwide, need to get moving on an adequate network of electric-charging stations for vehicles. Outside of California (which has a decent network), the way things are right now, there is just too much chance that BEV owners who overstretch their battery-charges will end up doing exactly what you see in the picture.
#6
Lexus Fanatic
Honestly, if a Tesla owner was stuck I would have no problem letting them charge up at my house if they just asked.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-26-19 at 08:40 PM.
#7
Lexus Champion
I don't get whey you're so concerned about this currently BEVs are what 2% or less of total sales? It will take decades before the BEV out sells the petrol burner I think by then we can work out installing more chargers and the like. Also aren't you of the opinion the BEV will never become mainstream anyway?
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#8
Lexus Fanatic
I don't get whey you're so concerned about this currently BEVs are what 2% or less of total sales? It will take decades before the BEV out sells the petrol burner I think by then we can work out installing more chargers and the like. Also aren't you of the opinion the BEV will never become mainstream anyway?
And, again, like it or not, there are some definite advantages to electrics, once the potential charging problems can be met. No emissions from the vehicle itself, much simpler and quieter engines and powertrains, maximum torque at low engine speeds, no oil/filter changes or leaks/ no cooling system/water-pump/radiator/thermostat to malfunction, leak, or service, simple basic transmissions without the insane number of gears we have today, no oil-disposal problems, much less brake-pad/rotor wear from the generative braking, and no complex ignition systems. But, as of today, some electric vehicles, IMO, just cost too much for what you get. 35-40K for a cramped, subcompact Chevrolet Bolt, for example, is simply absurd. And, some people are going to have to accept that the "Turn Around, Don't Drown" signs on flooded roads mean what they say. Drive a conventional gas vehicle into one of them, and the fire department or rescue-service may (?) have to come and fish you out of the water. Drive an all-electric, or gas/electric hybrid with large battery-packs, into one of those flooded areas, and all that electric hardware on board could instantly turn you and your passengers into toast before you can even call for help.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-27-19 at 05:48 AM.
#9
Lexus Fanatic
In my area, Tesla 3s are multiplying like rabbits. I agree they are not going to take over the roads overnight, but that does not mean that we should not plan for the future. Like it or not (and I am not that big a big fan of electrification myself) eventually it will be the wave of the future.....although, due to Musk's classic mismanagement, Tesla may or may not be a part of that oncoming wave. What you think or want, or what I think or want, at this point, has little relevance.....on a nationwide scale, the electrics are coming, and we had better be ready for it with an adequate charging system. I do agree with you on one point, though.....at my age, the electrification process will still take long enough that I may not live to see it become a majority. I don't know your age (and perhaps it is none of my business), so I won't comment on whether you will or not.
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#10
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I don't think electric cars will take over like some people think. At least not in my lifetime. Tesla is making no money right now, so they kind of are irrelevant as a car company needs to make money to show electrics can really work....I also think when the governments impose taxes on those driving electric cars, or surcharges when you plug into the grid you will see a different face of electric car ownership.......and the gas companies have a lot to lose, so lower gas prices will result when there is not enough demand, which will help with ICE.
Tesla's financials will take another year or two to steadily become P&L positive but they are in no danger of going out of business as long as demand doesn't dry up. Even with only moderate growth, they will be around for awhile.
#11
Lexus Champion
In my area, Tesla 3s are multiplying like rabbits. I agree they are not going to take over the roads overnight, but that does not mean that we should not plan for the future. Like it or not (and I am not that big a big fan of electrification myself) eventually it will be the wave of the future.....although, due to Musk's classic mismanagement, Tesla may or may not be a part of that oncoming wave.
#12
Lexus Fanatic
While I respect your opinion, I don't see a contradiction. Musk has (lately) become a clown, but he does preside over a company whose products (particularly the Tesla 3) have become more popular lately. But he still persists in what IMO are questionable business moves, like not allowing private dealer-franchises. Bob Lutz (correctly) points out that the Tesla retail/dealer-system has never worked, on a large scale, in the history of the auto industry, and is not doing so now, despite the popularity of Tesla vehicles.
Every BEV has a cooling system as it moves through the air. Some may or may not have systems in addition to that.
BTW a BEV does have a cooling system.
#13
Lead Lap
While I respect your opinion, I don't see a contradiction. Musk has (lately) become a clown, but he does preside over a company whose products (particularly the Tesla 3) have become more popular lately. But he still persists in what IMO are questionable business moves, like not allowing private dealer-franchises. Bob Lutz (correctly) points out that the Tesla retail/dealer-system has never worked, on a large scale, in the history of the auto industry, and is not doing so now, despite the popularity of Tesla vehicles.
Every BEV has a cooling system as it moves through the air. Some may or may not have systems in addition to that.
Every BEV has a cooling system as it moves through the air. Some may or may not have systems in addition to that.
#14
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by mmarshall
While I respect your opinion, I don't see a contradiction. Musk has (lately) become a clown, but he does preside over a company whose products (particularly the Tesla 3) have become more popular lately. But he still persists in what IMO are questionable business moves, like not allowing private dealer-franchises. Bob Lutz (correctly) points out that the Tesla retail/dealer-system has never worked, on a large scale, in the history of the auto industry, and is not doing so now, despite the popularity of Tesla vehicles.Every BEV has a cooling system as it moves through the air. Some may or may not have systems in addition to that.
#15
Lead Lap
Well this tesla thread spiraled quickly lol
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In regards to the tesla owner, As they say, this is why we cant have nice things.
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In regards to the tesla owner, As they say, this is why we cant have nice things.