Porsche vs Tesla? Tesla Model S 'Plaid' prototype lap Laguna Seca
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Aside from battery size adjustments over the years, the S only got a motor refresh this past year so Porsche is beating 7 year old tech. Congrats? Plus, Model S EPA range is 370 for the LR or 345 for the P100D while the Taycan's current estimates are probably going to be in the 240s. I'd personally value daily drivability than track performance
Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.
https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903
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That's the advantage the established marques hold.
Tesla is credited as the modern day pioneer of EV's, and how grateful we are for this.
However, their business model remains their Achilles Heel.
I have no idea how the future will pan out for Tesla...
#25
Damn. I didn't think a 5k lb vehicle could do that...
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#26
I'm impressed that VW keeps pushing new EVs though so they'll be the first to catch up to Tesla. In the end, EVs will be entirely disruptive to all OEMs. What does Toyota do if reliability among EVs are pretty much equal across the manufacturers given the simplicity of EVs? What does Porsche do when all EVs get to 60 in 3 seconds and have super nice driving dynamics with the low center of gravity and everyone having AWD? It will be an interesting 10 years...
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From a technical standpoint, the Model 3 Performance with its 75Kwh battery gets 310 miles while the 99kwh battery from Porsche gets ~240 miles. Tesla certainly does efficiency very well at roughly 1/3rd of the price. The other offerings aren't even in the same ballpark as Tesla in terms of performance / efficiency.
I'm impressed that VW keeps pushing new EVs though so they'll be the first to catch up to Tesla. In the end, EVs will be entirely disruptive to all OEMs. What does Toyota do if reliability among EVs are pretty much equal across the manufacturers given the simplicity of EVs? What does Porsche do when all EVs get to 60 in 3 seconds and have super nice driving dynamics with the low center of gravity and everyone having AWD? It will be an interesting 10 years...
I'm impressed that VW keeps pushing new EVs though so they'll be the first to catch up to Tesla. In the end, EVs will be entirely disruptive to all OEMs. What does Toyota do if reliability among EVs are pretty much equal across the manufacturers given the simplicity of EVs? What does Porsche do when all EVs get to 60 in 3 seconds and have super nice driving dynamics with the low center of gravity and everyone having AWD? It will be an interesting 10 years...
Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.
https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903
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It will be an exceptionally interesting next 10 years indeed!
Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.
https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903
Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.
https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/11...otor-in-depth/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/04...el-s-range-10/
Everyone else uses permanent magnet synchronous motors because they haven't climbed the technology curve yet.
#30
Yup, the reason Tesla gets more range is because they're more efficient. Only Hyundai's Ioniq is more efficient that the RWD Model 3 for instance.
Jalopnik has a strange hate for Tesla and like to spin things but there's a hard number that tells you how efficient a BEV is (like MPG) and that's Wh/Mile. EPA does testing for this and lists it so it's pretty much something you can't get around. That's why the Jalopnik article never mentions it because it completely blows a hole in their theory.
Jalopnik has a strange hate for Tesla and like to spin things but there's a hard number that tells you how efficient a BEV is (like MPG) and that's Wh/Mile. EPA does testing for this and lists it so it's pretty much something you can't get around. That's why the Jalopnik article never mentions it because it completely blows a hole in their theory.