coolsaber

Could it be the roadster rebirth powertrain powetrain mule?

EZZ

It's the 3 motor design so probably.

peteharvey

Now, at least we know that stock Model S has conceded to new stock Taycan.

Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.

https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903
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Allen K

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Stock Model 3 Performance is also a third of the price of the Taycan

peteharvey

but then it's built on billions of dollars in debt.
While the likes of Leaf, i-Pace, e-Tron and Taycan etc - are produced with no net debt.

Allen K

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Shame on Tesla for building out their production facilities

peteharvey

Poor excuse.
Leaf, i-Pace, e-Tron,Taycan, EQB and many more to come - all have production facilities too - but without the debt....

Allen K

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Nissan - 85 years old. Audi - 110 years old. Porsche - 88 years old. Mercedes - 93 years old. Tesla 16 years old (and they didn't even sell their first car until 2008).

peteharvey

So very true.
That's the advantage the established marques hold.

Tesla is credited as the modern day pioneer of EV's, and how grateful we are for this.
However, their business model remains their Achilles Heel.
I have no idea how the future will pan out for Tesla...

Allen K

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Musk is on Twitter saying the production 7 seater S is going to beat this number too

EZZ

From a technical standpoint, the Model 3 Performance with its 75Kwh battery gets 310 miles while the 99kwh battery from Porsche gets ~240 miles. Tesla certainly does efficiency very well at roughly 1/3rd of the price. The other offerings aren't even in the same ballpark as Tesla in terms of performance / efficiency.

I'm impressed that VW keeps pushing new EVs though so they'll be the first to catch up to Tesla. In the end, EVs will be entirely disruptive to all OEMs. What does Toyota do if reliability among EVs are pretty much equal across the manufacturers given the simplicity of EVs? What does Porsche do when all EVs get to 60 in 3 seconds and have super nice driving dynamics with the low center of gravity and everyone having AWD? It will be an interesting 10 years...

LeX2K

You have a debt meter on dashboard? lol.

peteharvey

It will be an exceptionally interesting next 10 years indeed!

Below is an article from Jalopnik that explains why no one is beating Tesla's range.
Apparently, they are being built to cope with serious abuse to ensure lont term durability.

https://jalopnik.com/why-no-one-is-b...nge-1837952903

EZZ

Thats only part of the story and they are spinning it because they simply can't get there yet. The 75kwh Model 3 gets 310 miles because it uses a much better motor design. They are the only one in the industry to use Permanent Magnet Switched Reluctance Motors. Here is a great article on it.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/11...otor-in-depth/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/04...el-s-range-10/

Everyone else uses permanent magnet synchronous motors because they haven't climbed the technology curve yet.

ChronoR

Yup, the reason Tesla gets more range is because they're more efficient. Only Hyundai's Ioniq is more efficient that the RWD Model 3 for instance.


Jalopnik has a strange hate for Tesla and like to spin things but there's a hard number that tells you how efficient a BEV is (like MPG) and that's Wh/Mile. EPA does testing for this and lists it so it's pretty much something you can't get around. That's why the Jalopnik article never mentions it because it completely blows a hole in their theory.