Ford Mustang Mach-E
#121
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Went and checked one out. Seems to split the size difference in size between NX & RX. We didn't drive but also compared the interior quality & looks of the Mach E to a Model Y (which has an outlet right down the street) and in my opinion the Mach E wins interior design and build quality hands down. Both were new and didn't see any visible issues with the Mach E, however the Y had mismatched chrome trim, and the passenger door panel & speaker cover were off kilter. Also back seat stitching was not lined up. How either will hold up in the long run is anyone's guess.
the Mach E is the first serious competitor to the Model Y. unlike teslas, the Mach E also meets and beats if EPA scores.
#122
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Ford has only one problem with the Mach E they can't make enough of them. Battery supply will continue to be a huge issue for the next 3-4 years IMO even for Tesla. And since Tesla was brought up, the quality issues don't matter to people because the overall package is very desirable. Tesla is miles ahead in software, Ford needs to hire more coders.
#123
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Ford has only one problem with the Mach E they can't make enough of them. Battery supply will continue to be a huge issue for the next 3-4 years IMO even for Tesla. And since Tesla was brought up, the quality issues don't matter to people because the overall package is very desirable. Tesla is miles ahead in software, Ford needs to hire more coders.
auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
#124
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agree on all except tesla being miles ahead in software. in what way are they ahead, except maybe efficiently monitoring/managing battery use/range?
auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
#125
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
agree on all except tesla being miles ahead in software. in what way are they ahead, except maybe efficiently monitoring/managing battery use/range?
auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
Given Tesla has to have everything driven through the screens, they made it extremely responsive with an excellent UI. Go look at the competition and it's laggy and much less responsive. Ford is pretty mediocre comparatively. CarPlay is less responsive than the Tesla software and I use CarPlay quite a bit.
Stuff like Sentry Mode / Dashcam and ability to include apps and maybe App Store in future, sorry but the legacy Oems are far behind.
Really, their OTA capabilities far exceed other manufacturers at this point. They are even able to optimize motor control and can optimize the heat pump to give better range with more data collection are some of the examples of their software prowess. Can't think of another car where significant features were added to every car after purchase.
#127
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
#128
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https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/...oftware-update
#129
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Here is a glitch from a year ago. Update comes, range decreases
https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/...oftware-update
https://forums.tesla.com/discussion/...oftware-update
#130
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When updates come, the BMS algorithms has sometimes reset or changes to give more accurate readings. Range of the car is based on how much battery capacity you have and doesn't actually change with new software. Over time, the BMS is able to recalibrate what's actually in the battery and range readings tend to change. The range fluctuates based on temp too. Most Tesla owners know it's not that precise so they leave it on percentage vs miles.
I wonder if Ford will have these problems
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-24-21 at 01:39 PM.
#131
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yeah...just pointing how some people do not view Tesla or any OTA updates as something desirable. I even read that some updates “bricked” the cars
I wonder if Ford will have these problems
I wonder if Ford will have these problems
#132
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The vast majority of Tesla owners love OTA updates. It brings significant features and / or more efficiencies. When I bought the car it had around 450hp. After all of the updates, I'm getting around 520hp. I also received Sentry Model / Dashcam, Media apps, increased range and Autopilot improvements all after I bought the car and it's been getting better every year. It's Teslas best feature.
I wonder if Ford software will have issues with the new Mach E...my assumption is YES
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-24-21 at 02:26 PM.
#133
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Given Tesla has to have everything driven through the screens, they made it extremely responsive with an excellent UI. Go look at the competition and it's laggy and much less responsive. Ford is pretty mediocre comparatively. CarPlay is less responsive than the Tesla software and I use CarPlay quite a bit.
Vw's id.4 reportedly has slow screen i think i read... built to a price point and so corners cut.
It's true that philosophically tesla wanted an 'awesome' screen since it runs everything and no question it's sophisticated and fast.
Stuff like Sentry Mode / Dashcam
and ability to include apps and maybe App Store in future, sorry but the legacy Oems are far behind.
And agree that OTA is really important, but just delivering updates isn't the hard part. What's in the updates is what matters, and yes, tesla has delivered some GREAT updates in function, efficiency, etc.
so i agree overall tesla has an experience and function lead, but i don't think it's much. And remember, the best tech rarely wins.
back to ford mach-e, i don't think ford is going to be a software leader unless they acquire or partner with someone really innovative.
#134
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auto pilot isn't that impressive really and waymo is probably way ahead of tesla on any "full self-driving" claims.
one thing that is cool is tesla having basically designed their own whole computer inside it seems and from tesla's claims, it's very fast. but vertical integration gets harder and harder (ask apple who is now trying - again - to get away from intel, and qualcomm). and of course apple doesn't manufacture anything themselves.
For Ford to match Tesla they will need their own ASIC FSD hardware, a team of software engineers coding and training a neural network, much greater battery supply, more efficient motors etc. a tall order. But I give Ford full credit you have to start somewhere there is no waiting for the right time. I'm looking at you Toyota.
#135
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The Mach-E is one vehicle I have to say I loved looking at in person better than online as I saw one in downtown Miami the other day and I at first thought it might be a red Tesla or a Lamborghini Urus, because you see both around there a lot, but it was a Mach-E.