Kia EV6
01-17-23, 06:12 PM
#227
Lexus Test Driver
01-17-23, 06:22 PM
#228
Lexus Fanatic
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01-17-23, 06:49 PM
#229
Intermediate
Second, these data companies are at the mercy of their sources, which we have no way to tell if its been fudged.
The way I go about judging this is simply by sight. I believe what I can see. In my area, I've only seen the KIA EV6 a few times. But I've seen the Tesla model 3 a ton of times. It may very well be that it depends on where I live.
Just take my post as a friendly reminder to be more skeptical or as a call to take a skeptical approach to the challenges we face in the 21st century.
Its not cost cutting, its emissions and fuel economy compliance. A turbo 4 cyl is not cheaper to make than a NA V6. And the turbo 4 cyls are more powerful than the old V6s, not less.
Oh please lol, do you have any idea how huge a scandal it would be if a public company like Hyundai/Kia faked their production numbers?!
Oh please lol, do you have any idea how huge a scandal it would be if a public company like Hyundai/Kia faked their production numbers?!
Huge scandals take place all the time. KIA/Hyundai are not exempted or above breaking the law. They sell a hard product, which means they have an interest in making their products look good.
Besides emissions and fuel savings, it's also cost cutting. A 2.0L turbocharged engine making the same or more power than say a 3.5L V6 is cheaper and lighter (though not as smooth), even with the turbo and extra cooling components. In a question and answer session, a Honda engineer said so much when asked why Honda decided to go with a 1.5L turbo instead of a 2.0L turbo for their 10th gen Civic Si. He said the cost of the Si would jump from $24k to well over $30k, making it priced higher than they wanted. More displacement, heavier engine, higher cost for the manufacturer
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01-17-23, 06:57 PM
#230
Actually proof of burden is on them. They asserted those numbers.
I for one am not going to believe everything posted on the internet. Technology has evolved to a point where its way too easy to make claims.
Belief drives peoples actions. Those same beliefs is largely a reason why we(the US) has had so many senseless wars. We're simply not investigating claims or questioning the validity of such claims.
I for one am not going to believe everything posted on the internet. Technology has evolved to a point where its way too easy to make claims.
Belief drives peoples actions. Those same beliefs is largely a reason why we(the US) has had so many senseless wars. We're simply not investigating claims or questioning the validity of such claims.
01-17-23, 07:03 PM
#231
Lexus Champion
01-17-23, 07:08 PM
#232
Lexus Champion
01-17-23, 07:11 PM
#233
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Going to start booting folks from the thread (more OT posts removed)
Let's not go down that path and keep this thread on track and on topic. If you want to find examples, just google it.
Let's not go down that path and keep this thread on track and on topic. If you want to find examples, just google it.
01-17-23, 07:15 PM
#234
01-17-23, 07:19 PM
#235
Lexus Champion
First, there is a very strong reason why any company would want to fudge their numbers. There are strong investor implications. It's been done plenty of times before.
Second, these companies are at the mercy of their sources, which we have no way to tell if its been fudged.
The way I go about judging this is simply by sight. I believe what I can see. In my area, I've only seen the KIA EV6 a few times. But I've seen the Tesla model 3 a ton of times. It may very well be that it depends on where I live. But can you really blame me for my stance?
Just take my post as a friendly reminder to be more skeptical or as a call to take a skeptical approach to the challenges we face in the 21st century.
Good point. But as Amirza pointed out below and my belief on the main reason for the downsizing of the engines is simply due to cost to the manufacturer. And a 4cyl trying to make the same power as a V6 has reliability issues.
Huge scandals take place all the time. KIA/Hyundai are not exempted or above breaking the law. They sell a hard product, which means they have an interest in making their products look good.
Very interesting. Thnx.
Second, these companies are at the mercy of their sources, which we have no way to tell if its been fudged.
The way I go about judging this is simply by sight. I believe what I can see. In my area, I've only seen the KIA EV6 a few times. But I've seen the Tesla model 3 a ton of times. It may very well be that it depends on where I live. But can you really blame me for my stance?
Just take my post as a friendly reminder to be more skeptical or as a call to take a skeptical approach to the challenges we face in the 21st century.
Good point. But as Amirza pointed out below and my belief on the main reason for the downsizing of the engines is simply due to cost to the manufacturer. And a 4cyl trying to make the same power as a V6 has reliability issues.
Huge scandals take place all the time. KIA/Hyundai are not exempted or above breaking the law. They sell a hard product, which means they have an interest in making their products look good.
Very interesting. Thnx.
01-17-23, 07:37 PM
#236
Lexus Fanatic
My friend, you have every right to believe or not believe the numbers. I'll just say, don't go by what you physically can or can't see. There are places in the country or world where you won't see a single model 3, yet they outsell everything else. In California I see a ton of EV6's, but that's not the criteria I use. The data I posted was collected by third parties and not Kia. So believing or not believing really makes no difference, the sales data is there, and not believing doesn't change the facts. The last thing I'll mention is fudging the numbers doesn't do anything to help them. Saying they sold more units than they actually did would hurt them
01-17-23, 08:00 PM
#238
Lexus Fanatic
I would lol. They’re making many cars worth $50k and more.
01-17-23, 08:01 PM
#239
Lexus Champion
Those are global numbers, including sales in Korea. I think US numbers are 20K units sold
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01-17-23, 08:03 PM
#240
Lexus Champion
