EV charging in the US is broken — can it be fixed?
05-13-21, 08:59 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
When you say majority of people...i disagree with that statement. For some people, that is the case but there many different types of users with different needs. Someone who hardly road trips would find BEVs far more beneficial in terms of cost and convenience while someone who road trips frequently may find hybrids more preferable. Many factors will go into the decision including cost, range, charger availability, performance, tech, and the most important...use case. For 99% of my daily needs, i couldn't tell the difference between a BEV and ICE and I suspect, most people fall into this bucket.
05-13-21, 09:04 AM
#17
Lexus Test Driver
https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/ne...t-ice-by-2027/
05-13-21, 12:11 PM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
Thats now. Battery costs are expected to decline significantly in the next 5 years. See the link below. Tesla themselves expect a 56% decline in battery costs by 5 years when the 4680 becomes their main battery supply.
https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/ne...t-ice-by-2027/
https://fordauthority.com/2021/05/ne...t-ice-by-2027/
05-13-21, 12:26 PM
#19
Lexus Test Driver
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/will-ev...dable-in-2023/
05-13-21, 12:38 PM
#20
Lexus Fanatic
Are there any manufacturers denying that this third party is wrong? You won't find any because the expectation is that BEV will reach cost parity at $100/kwh (see below that talks about that). The cost curve is already coming down drastically as I've mentioned before. I'm not even going to mention total cost of ownership as ICE will lose that easily.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/will-ev...dable-in-2023/
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/will-ev...dable-in-2023/
Show me an example of a total cost battery electric that is cheaper than a Toyota Corolla hybrid? $23,600 MSRP
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-13-21 at 12:42 PM.
05-13-21, 12:40 PM
#21
Lexus Fanatic
Can you prove aliens have not visited me in the last year? That's your argument.
05-13-21, 12:41 PM
#22
Lexus Test Driver
Are there any that are saying their future BEVs won't? You keep going around in circles. Nobody said they are cheaper NOW. The expectation is that they will be as cheap or cheaper in the future.
05-13-21, 12:47 PM
#23
Lexus Fanatic
05-13-21, 12:55 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
It’s a useless study. Nobody has supported it. If there are any manufactures on record, that state that their battery electrics will be cheaper to manufacture then gasoline by those dates , then I would believe there will be some support for the study
05-13-21, 12:56 PM
#26
Lexus Test Driver
Okay...so you are admitting you have no evidence and you don't know anything. Okay, got it.
05-13-21, 12:57 PM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
But back to the electric charging stations, they will never work. For mass adoption. There are too many people that will just reject the idea of taking a battery electric and charging it at some station.
The upfront cost of battery electric cars is too expensive for most people. Add in charging stations, and people who live in apartments, or people who just don’t wanna add chargers to the garage, and perhaps you can see how other people do not want to live with a charger
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-13-21 at 01:00 PM.
05-13-21, 01:00 PM
#28
Lexus Test Driver
It’s a useless study. Just like, teslas claim that they will reduce manufacturing costs by this date or that date or whatever they say. Either do it or you don’t.
But back to the electric charging stations, they will never work. For mass adoption. There are too many people that will just reject the idea of taking a battery electric and charging it at some station.
The upfront cost battery electric cars is too expensive for most people.
But back to the electric charging stations, they will never work. For mass adoption. There are too many people that will just reject the idea of taking a battery electric and charging it at some station.
The upfront cost battery electric cars is too expensive for most people.
05-13-21, 01:02 PM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
But that date hasn't come. You don't provide evidence that the projections aren't going to come...you just dismiss it and provide no evidence that you do. Fine, you don't agree with it but say its your opinion as you have no basis to have a counterpoint. Its just your opinion. everyone has one.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-13-21 at 01:14 PM.
05-13-21, 01:08 PM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
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The upfront cost of battery electric cars is too expensive for most people.
Add in charging stations, and people who live in apartments, or people who just don’t wanna add chargers to the garage, and perhaps you can see how other people do not want to live with a charger
we're not there today, but it's all obviously evolving and improving RAPIDLY. is it for you? probably not. but sooner or later, it will become appealing to millions of new vehicle buyers.