EV charging in the US is broken — can it be fixed?
05-13-21, 01:10 PM
#32
Lexus Fanatic
perhaps you're overlooking home charging though (which in a lot of case means owners NEVER need to go to charging stations) or that charging at stations WILL get quicker. saying they will 'never' work for mass adoption seems to deny and future changes/improvements.
in europe though, governments have offset a lot of that with huge subsidies, and never underestimate governments (or the market) making ICE cars more expensive to buy and own. the mach-e, id.4, model Y are all priced similar to a premium ICE cuv so they're not really out of reach.
apartment dwellers won't want EVs until station charging is fast. as far as those "don't wanna add chargers to the garage", not i think you're just throwing up straw men since if you have an EV and a garage, you're going to want to put in a dryer outlet.
we're not there today, but it's all obviously evolving and improving RAPIDLY. is it for you? probably not. but sooner or later, it will become appealing to millions of new vehicle buyers.
in europe though, governments have offset a lot of that with huge subsidies, and never underestimate governments (or the market) making ICE cars more expensive to buy and own. the mach-e, id.4, model Y are all priced similar to a premium ICE cuv so they're not really out of reach.
apartment dwellers won't want EVs until station charging is fast. as far as those "don't wanna add chargers to the garage", not i think you're just throwing up straw men since if you have an EV and a garage, you're going to want to put in a dryer outlet.
we're not there today, but it's all obviously evolving and improving RAPIDLY. is it for you? probably not. but sooner or later, it will become appealing to millions of new vehicle buyers.
That study was just for Europe. Also has caveats which require government support incentives
The higher end $$ segments, cost parity will be sooner than later. The cheap entry level segment, it will take much longer or maybe never.
I think 20% full battery EV adoption by 2030 is realistic
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-13-21 at 01:54 PM.
05-13-21, 02:00 PM
#33
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and i didn't read whatever study was posted.
The higher end $$ segments, cost parity will be sooner than later. The cheap entry level segment, it will take much longer or maybe never.
Agree that many people will do the garage. But, there is only so much the electrical grid can handle.
and with additional renewals coming on at a breakneck pace right now, we're going to have vast capacity.
and where you are, not worried about niagara falls not producing enough power, lol.
Plus, the road fees and taxes have yet to be applied. The demand of electricity will go up. Being green will just make everyone broke.
I think 20% full battery EV adoption by 2030 is realistic
05-13-21, 02:25 PM
#34
Lexus Fanatic
Happy we agree. 
I follow bellwether companies quite often and see what they are doing or planning. . So in the automotive segment, I look at Mercedes, VW and Toyota and follow what they forecast. 50% of all Mercedes so they say will be a combination of BEV/hybrids in 2030. Toyota says worldwide that 70% of their sales will be BEV/FCEV/Plug in and hybrid in 2030. Toyota says they will sell 2 million BEV/FCEV in 2030. VW says 60% of cars in 2030 will be electric fully for Europe. Cost parity at that point, for some segments yes, but for the entry level stuff no.
Another massive bellweather company FedEx says that all purchases by 2030 will be EV...but FedEx is also very interested in Porsche E-fuel
I follow bellwether companies quite often and see what they are doing or planning. . So in the automotive segment, I look at Mercedes, VW and Toyota and follow what they forecast. 50% of all Mercedes so they say will be a combination of BEV/hybrids in 2030. Toyota says worldwide that 70% of their sales will be BEV/FCEV/Plug in and hybrid in 2030. Toyota says they will sell 2 million BEV/FCEV in 2030. VW says 60% of cars in 2030 will be electric fully for Europe. Cost parity at that point, for some segments yes, but for the entry level stuff no.Another massive bellweather company FedEx says that all purchases by 2030 will be EV...but FedEx is also very interested in Porsche E-fuel
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-13-21 at 02:35 PM.
05-13-21, 03:43 PM
#35
Lexus Champion
Toyota says that electric cars won’t spread, despite faster charging stations
Toyota does not like battery-electric cars, and the world's largest carmaker isn't shy about that sentiment.
Through numerous ads and statements from its executives, the carmaker has repeatedly criticized the short ranges and long charging times of battery-electric vehicles.
Instead, Toyota suggests that hybrids—in which it leads the industry—and its upcoming 2016 Mirai hydrogen fuel-cell car will jointly be the right way to cut energy use.
Through numerous ads and statements from its executives, the carmaker has repeatedly criticized the short ranges and long charging times of battery-electric vehicles.
Instead, Toyota suggests that hybrids—in which it leads the industry—and its upcoming 2016 Mirai hydrogen fuel-cell car will jointly be the right way to cut energy use.
05-13-21, 03:58 PM
#38
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by AJT123
This isn't Europe though, that's the thing. The government is basically in control of their lives.
Know how many Americans don't want EVs?
Know how many Americans don't want EVs?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilpric...icles.amp.html
05-13-21, 04:28 PM
#39
Lexus Champion
Toyota says they will sell 2 million BEVs in 2030 Tesla will do that next year, or maybe 2023 if things go sideways. Toyota is full of 💩 they are in for a world of hurt if they think in 9 years people will give a toss about a hybrid or FCEV. As for the thread title as demand goes up issues will be fixed.
05-13-21, 04:41 PM
#40
Lexus Fanatic
About 34% aren't interested and 66% are. Lack of infrastructure is the main deterrent. If infrastructure was there, people would probably buy EVs in droves. Not everyone is married to V8 sounds, especially when a pedestrian EV is probably as fast but way more efficient.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilpric...icles.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilpric...icles.amp.html
"Today, only 1% of total search share on Cars.com is for EVs.
In the U.S., meanwhile, EV registrations fell by 6 percent, according to data from the Munich Mobility Show.
These surveys are all nonsense. IMO
05-13-21, 04:45 PM
#41
Lexus Test Driver
Whats your definition of mass adoption? I believe EVs will be parity in terms of cost with ICE within 5 years. I also believe we won't see 30% penetration until 2030. These factors aren't necessarily dependent on each other.
05-13-21, 05:02 PM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
somewhere around 2040.
05-13-21, 07:24 PM
#43
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05-13-21, 07:50 PM
#44
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I think mass adoption will occur when the major manufactures hit about 40% of their sales are BEV, and 10%-15% are fuel cell...the rest hybrid/plug in.... The late majority are gonna be the hardest to convince....the laggards are probably never gonna support it. Right now the United States is not even in the early adopter stage (from a scholarly definition). I think China is.
somewhere around 2040.
somewhere around 2040.
05-13-21, 11:55 PM
#45
Lexus Champion
What has that got to do with anything?
I like to tow boats, go off road, and drive from Knoxville to Rochester, NY in the middle of the night (when we stop ONCE for 5 minutes in Columbus for gas and bathroom break). An EV is not for me. I won't ever buy one. The stupid excuses people make for their glaring flaws....
I and most of my loved ones got the shots, though, since you brought it up. I have one anti-vax friend and neither of us bring it up.
I like to tow boats, go off road, and drive from Knoxville to Rochester, NY in the middle of the night (when we stop ONCE for 5 minutes in Columbus for gas and bathroom break). An EV is not for me. I won't ever buy one. The stupid excuses people make for their glaring flaws....
I and most of my loved ones got the shots, though, since you brought it up. I have one anti-vax friend and neither of us bring it up.
Last edited by AJT123; 05-14-21 at 12:03 AM.