F150 Lightning
#196
Lexus Champion
I'm hearing dealerships are planning as much as $30K markups. If this the case, I'm probably going to sell my reservation to the highest bidder
#197
Lexus Test Driver
For the last dozen years, nearly all new Ford releases have been rattled by numerous recalls and defects. I wonder how much the Lightning will go down that road...
#198
Pole Position
Ford is explicitly warning dealers with high markups will not get allocation. Hoping this is true, even though I didn't get a ping to order for my reservation.
#199
Lexus Test Driver
If that's true, hats off to Ford, though I doubt they'll be able to enforce it when dealers have the upper hand in the U.S. and can just take it to court.
#200
Lexus Champion
That's why the dealership model needs to go away. Cut the fat (middleman) out. PoleStar, Tesla, Hyundai (for it's Ioniq 5) Lucid and other start-ups are going the direct sell route where they setup spaces where you can view and kick the tires, and startup's like PoleStar bring the vehicle to you for test drives, then deliver to your house or office
#201
Lexus Fanatic
In the US legacy companies have to sell through dealers, even what appears direct, isn't.
#202
Lexus Champion
I see. Dealerships are so inefficient, they end up wasting hours of your time...and money. My last new car I bought before the PoleStar was a 2018 Honda Civic Si, I did most of the negotiations between phone and email, and even financed through their online portal, but still ended up wasting 2 hours signing documents and telling the finance guy I wasn't interested in the add-on's they were trying to sell me. With the PoleStar, the guy was in and out in 20 minutes, most of the docs were signed through Docusign
#203
Lexus Test Driver
That's why the dealership model needs to go away. Cut the fat (middleman) out. PoleStar, Tesla, Hyundai (for it's Ioniq 5) Lucid and other start-ups are going the direct sell route where they setup spaces where you can view and kick the tires, and startup's like PoleStar bring the vehicle to you for test drives, then deliver to your house or office
#204
Lexus Champion
I get that part, legacy automakers are probably stuck in contracts they are in and the legal entanglements of getting out would be costly. They could technically create seperate companies and move their EV divisions into those companies, they would not be answerable to dealerships
#205
Lexus Test Driver
I get that part, legacy automakers are probably stuck in contracts they are in and the legal entanglements of getting out would be costly. They could technically create seperate companies and move their EV divisions into those companies, they would not be answerable to dealerships
#206
Lexus Fanatic
#207
Lexus Test Driver
https://www.autonews.com/dealers/nj-...-store-program
Same story with Hyundai dealers and Genesis.
https://motorillustrated.com/genesis...owrooms/55958/
#208
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
https://autobala.com/florida-dealers...points/210480/
#209
Lexus Test Driver
looks like the dealer (orlando) won (pending appeal)... dealers suck.
https://autobala.com/florida-dealers...points/210480/
https://autobala.com/florida-dealers...points/210480/
#210
Pole Position