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They calculated the cost above, my car gets over 30 so that would have been better than what they paid on their trip. So......yeah. It only beats my truck by 2mpg cost per mile wise, the extra time wasted more than gives the advantage back to the ICE car
LIke what? I just did a 1000 miles in my Polestar over the weekend and if I would have had to pay out of pocket it would have been under $150. I'm confused. what extra stuff did they they have to pay for.... like snacks? Must have been some expensive snacks
I haven't finished the 3rd video yet, but I'm pretty sure the expenses were what they actually paid, so the free 250kWh covered about 10% of the trip, and the overnight charge at the hotel's "level 2" charger another 0.2% . They were getting about 2 miles per kWh, and if I recall were paying either 43 or 47 cents per kWh. Someone on another forum did the math, and the cost/mile is equivalent to a 24mpg vehicle fueled at $5/gallon. Obviously that goes WAY down if you charge at home.
So 100 miles is 50kwh use of energy? That means that its takes ~$23 to go 100 miles. The truck is highly inefficient...i think it has a gross pack of 140kwh. An efficient EV will go almost 4 miles per kWh. Of course, this is only for road trips as you said. If you charge at home and use it as a daily, its about 4x cheaper so you'll spend $23 to 400 miles. I think people will find this tradeoff fantastic given people infrequently do road trips.
So 100 miles is 50kwh use of energy? That means that its takes ~$23 to go 100 miles. The truck is highly inefficient...i think it has a gross pack of 140kwh. An efficient EV will go almost 4 miles per kWh. Of course, this is only for road trips as you said. If you charge at home and use it as a daily, its about 4x cheaper so you'll spend $23 to 400 miles. I think people will find this tradeoff fantastic given people infrequently do road trips.
I haven't watched the videos yet, but that sounds very inefficient. I know my Polestar is much lighter and smaller, but even on the Grapevine going 80 MPH I was under 35 kWh per 100 miles, and it's maybe 20 percent less efficient EPA ratings
LIke what? I just did a 1000 miles in my Polestar over the weekend and if I would have had to pay out of pocket it would have been under $150. I'm confused. what extra stuff did they they have to pay for.... like snacks? Must have been some expensive snacks
Dude read the thread. They totaled up the energy cost that they had to spend at the chargers and it's equal to $5 gas at 24 mpg. It doesn't do as well as your car.
Dude read the thread. They totaled up the energy cost that they had to spend at the chargers and it's equal to $5 gas at 24 mpg. It doesn't do as well as your car.
I'll watch the videos tomorrow, it still doesn't make sense because Ford gives you 2 years free fast charging, and it only uses less than 20 percent more energy than my vehicle. If it's actually that inefficient I'm glad I didn't buy it
How, when it would cost an F-150 Lightning under $50 to drive 400 miles?
I don't see how it "would" cost the Lightning less than $50 to drive 400 miles, when it DID cost $193 to drive 1225 miles. If they had paid for all of their charging at 43 cents/kWh, their total charging cost would have been $263. 2/3 of the way through the trip, their rate dropped to 32 cents/kWh, so I now think they counted the free charging as if they had paid for it (still have 13 minutes to go in the last video).
Edit: finished the last video. Here's the breakdown of their 11 stops:
They started with a full charge, charged for 11 hours during the trip (5 of which was sleeping, so 6 hours at public chargers), and ended with an almost empty battery.
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I haven't watched the videos yet, but that sounds very inefficient. I know my Polestar is much lighter and smaller, but even on the Grapevine going 80 MPH I was under 35 kWh per 100 miles, and it's maybe 20 percent less efficient EPA ratings
They consistently got 2 miles per kWh on the highway at 65-70. So 50kWh per 100 miles.
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I'll watch the videos tomorrow, it still doesn't make sense because Ford gives you 2 years free fast charging, and it only uses less than 20 percent more energy than my vehicle. If it's actually that inefficient I'm glad I didn't buy it
They did not get 2 years free charging, they got 250kWh of free charging, which they used up in the first few stops.
Only on the interstate travel roads between Northern and SoCal where I saw gas at almost $8. Yeah . Where I live it's in above $6. The Costco near me is $6.09 for regular
I don't see how it "would" cost the Lightning less than $50 to drive 400 miles, when it DID cost $193 to drive 1225 miles. If they had paid for all of their charging at 43 cents/kWh, their total charging cost would have been $263. 2/3 of the way through the trip, their rate dropped to 32 cents/kWh, so I now think they counted the free charging as if they had paid for it (still have 13 minutes to go in the last video).
Edit: finished the last video. Here's the breakdown of their 11 stops:
They started with a full charge, charged for 11 hours during the trip (5 of which was sleeping, so 6 hours at public chargers), and ended with an almost empty battery.
They consistently got 2 miles per kWh on the highway at 65-70. So 50kWh per 100 miles.
They did not get 2 years free charging, they got 250kWh of free charging, which they used up in the first few stops.
I'll watch the videos today, but 50 kWh per 100 miles is pretty horrible, there had to be something wrong with that it was getting that poor energy usage
I'll watch the videos today, but 50 kWh per 100 miles is pretty horrible, there had to be something wrong with that it was getting that poor energy usage
Yeah it's called real world. I had the same thing happen with the Teslas I drove, all gave me lower than expected range and KWH/mile
Yeah it's called real world. I had the same thing happen with the Teslas I drove, all gave me lower than expected range and KWH/mile
I don't think that's the case because hundreds of thousands like me drive in the "real world" and get very efficient numbers driving in all kinds of conditions (see my latest Polestar post). But even at 50 kWh per 100 miles it's still way more efficient than an ICE, because most people would be charging at home and not paying .43 cents per kWh. The majority of people travel that far very rarely, and most people would either have 2 or 3 years free charging, or they would become a member and pay .31 cents per kWh when they do travel. Overall your cost of electricity would be at least 50 percent less than if you filled up. Paying .43 cents a kWh is like buying a bottle of water at an interstate gas station convenience store and paying $2 for a bottle over buying it at a supermarket where you pay only .50 cents
I don't think that's the case because hundreds of thousands like me drive in the "real world" and get very efficient numbers driving in all kinds of conditions (see my latest Polestar post). But even at 50 kWh per 100 miles it's still way more efficient than an ICE, because most people would be charging at home and not paying .43 cents per kWh. The majority of people travel that far very rarely, and most people would either have 2 or 3 years free charging, or they would become a member and pay .31 cents per kWh when they do travel. Overall your cost of electricity would be at least 50 percent less than if you filled up. Paying .43 cents a kWh is like buying a bottle of water at an interstate gas station convenience store and paying $2 for a bottle over buying it at a supermarket where you pay only .50 cents
If fuel costs don't come down electricity costs will continue to rise. Like I said before, it's only a matter of time until a recharge at a fast charger costs what gas did in normal times.
If fuel costs don't come down electricity costs will continue to rise. Like I said before, it's only a matter of time until a recharge at a fast charger costs what gas did in normal times.
Nothing new is ever cheaper
Electricity would have to rise 400 percent to match current gas prices. Are you telling me it's going to rise that much? Yes, they will rise, but never be remotely near the price of gas. My brothers electricity bill pre-solar was $300 a month, if it rose 400 percent do you think the average person would be able to afford electricity? Where people will be paying higher rates is when they go on trips, but I always paid high gas prices on trips, so that's not unusual
Electricity would have to rise 400 percent to match current gas prices. Are you telling me it's going to rise that much? Yes, they will rise, but never be remotely near the price of gas. My brothers electricity bill pre-solar was $300 a month, if it rose 400 percent do you think the average person would be able to afford electricity? Where people will be paying higher rates is when they go on trips, but I always paid high gas prices on trips, so that's not unusual
I never said current prices, but it's getting close to 2017-19 prices. You say it can't but hey, it just might. Nothing like that is technically impossible and especially so for areas like your that imports power.
I never said current prices, but it's getting close to 2017-19 prices. You say it can't but hey, it just might. Nothing like that is technically impossible and especially so for areas like your that imports power.
He's in California. Its actually pretty cheap for homeowners to get solar here. There comes a point when leasing solar will be much cheaper than paying full price to the utility so electric prices here (which are highest in nation) have a hedge. Also, using fast DC chargers is expensive relative to charging at home because its a ton of on demand energy being transferred. Most people with F150s will probably charge at home where electricity costs about 10-15 cents per kwh. Again, its less than 20% to fuel EVs vs. ICE in so-cal even if you don't have solar. Every region will be different but in most states, electricity is much cheaper than California.
06-14-22, 08:55 PM
. They were getting about 2 miles per kWh, and if I recall were paying either 43 or 47 cents per kWh. Someone on another forum did the math, and the cost/mile is equivalent to a 24mpg vehicle fueled at $5/gallon. Obviously that goes WAY down if you charge at home.
. Where I live it's in above $6. The Costco near me is $6.09 for regular
