F150 Lightning
#46
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#47
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C&D predicts not very good...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max
We Bet F-150 Lightning's Range Is under 100 Miles when Towing at the Max
Ford promises EPA ratings of 230 and 300 miles, but towing and hauling near the claimed 10,000-pound maximum is going to seriously cut into those figures.
Range typically occupies an outsized chunk of the conversation on any new EV. But, in the case of the F-150 Lightning, which has the bestselling pickup's usual healthy scoop of towing and hauling capabilities, things get even more complicated than normal.
Ford is claiming that the range figures for its electric pickup will come in at 230 miles and 300 miles, depending on whether the standard-range (which we estimate can hold 115.0 kWh) or extended-range battery pack (150.0 kWh, same caveat) is beneath the bed. Those are EPA predictions, specifically EPA combined figures, in lightly loaded conditions.
Although the Lightning is aided by the aerodynamic effects of its flat underbody, when running at real highway speeds there's no tricking the air molecules, and a bluff truck is going to suffer. In our highway range testing, which we conduct at a steady 75 mph, we typically see a range number that's about 20 percent below the EPA figure. Using that same bogey, which is probably generous in the case of a full-size pickup, would put the Lightning in the 180-to-240-mile zone for what you might achieve on a road trip.
In a recent towing test with another EV, lugging a 3859-pound boat at 70 mph chopped its range in half compared to a run at the same speed sans trailer. Applying these results to the F-150 means that towing a modest trailer would put the highway range at roughly 100 to 125 miles, depending on the pack. Towing anywhere near the 10,000-pound maximum rating on XLT and Lariat models (with the maximum trailer tow package and extended-range battery) at highway speeds, we believe you'd be hard pressed to exceed double-digit miles. We'd take that bet, in fact.
Utilizing the Lightning's payload capabilities, which are 1800 pounds for the extended-range battery and 2000 pounds for the smaller pack will put you somewhere between these two extremes. And those figures both include the up-to-400 pounds that can be stowed in the large and handy front trunk.
At least there's some smart technology to help adjust the range prediction shown to the driver in day-to-day use. As launched on the 2021 F-150, the Lightning uses a height sensor at each corner to estimate the load in the bed or on the trailer hitch and preemptively adjusts down the range predictions accordingly.
The old adage "your mileage may vary" is very apropos when discussing EVs. And the F-150 Lightning's, because of its tough-truck capabilities, will vary more than most.
Range typically occupies an outsized chunk of the conversation on any new EV. But, in the case of the F-150 Lightning, which has the bestselling pickup's usual healthy scoop of towing and hauling capabilities, things get even more complicated than normal.
Ford is claiming that the range figures for its electric pickup will come in at 230 miles and 300 miles, depending on whether the standard-range (which we estimate can hold 115.0 kWh) or extended-range battery pack (150.0 kWh, same caveat) is beneath the bed. Those are EPA predictions, specifically EPA combined figures, in lightly loaded conditions.
Although the Lightning is aided by the aerodynamic effects of its flat underbody, when running at real highway speeds there's no tricking the air molecules, and a bluff truck is going to suffer. In our highway range testing, which we conduct at a steady 75 mph, we typically see a range number that's about 20 percent below the EPA figure. Using that same bogey, which is probably generous in the case of a full-size pickup, would put the Lightning in the 180-to-240-mile zone for what you might achieve on a road trip.
In a recent towing test with another EV, lugging a 3859-pound boat at 70 mph chopped its range in half compared to a run at the same speed sans trailer. Applying these results to the F-150 means that towing a modest trailer would put the highway range at roughly 100 to 125 miles, depending on the pack. Towing anywhere near the 10,000-pound maximum rating on XLT and Lariat models (with the maximum trailer tow package and extended-range battery) at highway speeds, we believe you'd be hard pressed to exceed double-digit miles. We'd take that bet, in fact.
Utilizing the Lightning's payload capabilities, which are 1800 pounds for the extended-range battery and 2000 pounds for the smaller pack will put you somewhere between these two extremes. And those figures both include the up-to-400 pounds that can be stowed in the large and handy front trunk.
At least there's some smart technology to help adjust the range prediction shown to the driver in day-to-day use. As launched on the 2021 F-150, the Lightning uses a height sensor at each corner to estimate the load in the bed or on the trailer hitch and preemptively adjusts down the range predictions accordingly.
The old adage "your mileage may vary" is very apropos when discussing EVs. And the F-150 Lightning's, because of its tough-truck capabilities, will vary more than most.
#49
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Thread Starter
i question this "3 day" powering a home figure. They said the average home uses 30kWh a day? How can they use so little. I dont use much in my house almost all my lights are LED/CFL, I run a couple ceiling fans constant, and in the winter im still using about 600 kwh a week, almost triple this average at my lowest power consumption? I mainly have a computer running, fridge and a chest freezer. No ones powering a home for 3 days maybe a bare bones studio apartment. Im not banking on this lasting 3 days.
#50
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Originally Posted by Lend0
I see it towing an airstream. I wonder what the range is when towing
#51
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I'm an advocate for electric cars, though I don't want one just yet. I would buy one for many uses, but towing isn't one of them.
#53
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Ford stock closed today at $12.49, up 3.14% from yesterday. I would have expected maybe a little more of a rise with all of the Lightning's hype. As I posted above, 20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours. In a couple of days, we will probably see 100,000 reservations like we did with the Bronco.......there is a lot bigger potential market with an F-150.
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-20-21 at 05:48 PM.
#55
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Interesting, but Tesla's stock actually dropped on Wednesday, before the Lightning was revealed. Today, (Thursday), it actually recovered some.
Ford stock closed today at $12.49, up 3.14% from yesterday. I would have expected maybe a little more of a rise with all of the Lightning's hype. As I posted above, 20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours. In a couple of days. we will probably see 100,000 reservations like we did with the Bronco.......there is a lot bigger potential market with an F-150.
Ford stock closed today at $12.49, up 3.14% from yesterday. I would have expected maybe a little more of a rise with all of the Lightning's hype. As I posted above, 20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours. In a couple of days. we will probably see 100,000 reservations like we did with the Bronco.......there is a lot bigger potential market with an F-150.
#56
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Interesting, but Tesla's stock actually dropped on Wednesday, before the Lightning was revealed. Today, (Thursday), when you and I both expected a fall, it actually recovered some.
Ford stock closed today at $12.49, up 3.14% from yesterday. I would have expected maybe a little more of a rise with all of the Lightning's hype. As I posted above, 20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours. In a couple of days, we will probably see 100,000 reservations like we did with the Bronco.......there is a lot bigger potential market with an F-150.
Ford stock closed today at $12.49, up 3.14% from yesterday. I would have expected maybe a little more of a rise with all of the Lightning's hype. As I posted above, 20,000 reservations in the first 12 hours. In a couple of days, we will probably see 100,000 reservations like we did with the Bronco.......there is a lot bigger potential market with an F-150.
#57
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Thread Starter
I don't think they have the same customers so the F150 won't be cross shopped. Most of Cybertruck will be sold in California as an image car especially at first. We will see if it actually crosses over into mainstream truck customers who will mostly remain die hard ICE owners till the end.
#58
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I think the Cybertruck is more like the Hummer. Wacky stuff. Over the top. Show trucks. Stuff that you’d see in the Michael Bay Transformer movies. I think the Cybertruck is pretty awesome
#59
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#60
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Oh, I agree that the Bronco and F-150 probably won't be cross-shopped......I wasn't suggesting otherwise. My point that the market for F-150s is enormous....much larger than even the Bronco's. Not as many electric F-150s will be likely be sold as will gas versions...but we're still talking about a very large potential market, perhaps in the hundreds of thousands.