F150 Lightning
#121
I'm so impressed!
Now, let's hook up a 3 ton boat, hit I-40 mountains between Knoxville and Asheville, the Smokeys, and lower the temperature outside to winter conditions and see how far that range drops. I'm betting 50 miles towing under less than ideal conditions like cold or heat. Wouldn't even make it to Asheville from Knox, I'd bet.
Completely pointless.
Now, let's hook up a 3 ton boat, hit I-40 mountains between Knoxville and Asheville, the Smokeys, and lower the temperature outside to winter conditions and see how far that range drops. I'm betting 50 miles towing under less than ideal conditions like cold or heat. Wouldn't even make it to Asheville from Knox, I'd bet.
Completely pointless.
#122
It will be interesting. The Bolt is made in Korea in the Sonic plant, I believe.
#123
I'm so impressed!
Now, let's hook up a 3 ton boat, hit I-40 mountains between Knoxville and Asheville, the Smokeys, and lower the temperature outside to winter conditions and see how far that range drops. I'm betting 50 miles towing under less than ideal conditions like cold or heat. Wouldn't even make it to Asheville from Knox, I'd bet.
Completely pointless.
Now, let's hook up a 3 ton boat, hit I-40 mountains between Knoxville and Asheville, the Smokeys, and lower the temperature outside to winter conditions and see how far that range drops. I'm betting 50 miles towing under less than ideal conditions like cold or heat. Wouldn't even make it to Asheville from Knox, I'd bet.
Completely pointless.
Fair point, though it'll be good to get some real life numbers. Car and Driver was estimating well under 100 miles of range on a full charge while towing. Around town that's no big deal, but on a road trip that's a lot of stopping. And while my gas truck sees a huge hit in its range while towing, even at 8 mpg I'm still able to get over 300 miles between fill ups.
#124
Remember not everyone wants to run in Walmart or the tanning bed while waiting on their vehicle to charge. In the cold winter to boot, eww. I get it for Florida and SoCal but I doubt too many regular Chicagoans are that hip about EVs in the winter there.
Cold weather doesn't affect a modern, warmed up ICE. Neither does hot weather other than a little heat soak off the line.
To answer your basic question, my LX would tow a 6k lb boat to Asheville from here through the mountains no problem in zero degree temps provided the roads were safe. And back and forth and back and forth a million times and be fine.
#125
Yeah it does, I have and do tow 12,000lbs with my HALF TON regularly, it gets about 6-7mpg average under that load (not only because of weight, but drag). and I can still get 275 miles out of the 32 gallon tank of gasoline. If I had to stop every 50 miles to fill up, I would been annoyed AF in my 20's. In my late 30's I have to **** every 2 hours, so it really doesn't matter anyway...until you throw in the little detail of it takes 10 mins max to gas and ****. If it took 30+ minutes, like it does to charge a battery, I'd never get anywhere.
#126
Electric vehicles have a massive "disadvantage" when you tow. EV powertrain is very efficient but when you add weight and wind resistance it still takes the same amount of energy to drag it down the road as it does when towing with a petrol/diesel truck. May sound obvious, but whatever efficiency the EV had goes out the window. That's why the Tesla Semi is so delayed, they are waiting until they can pack in enough batteries to give decent range. Ford appears to have done basically nothing to reduce weight, it's an F150 with batteries stuffed in the middle.
#127
Electric vehicles have a massive "disadvantage" when you tow. EV powertrain is very efficient but when you add weight and wind resistance it still takes the same amount of energy to drag it down the road as it does when towing with a petrol/diesel truck. May sound obvious, but whatever efficiency the EV had goes out the window. That's why the Tesla Semi is so delayed, they are waiting until they can pack in enough batteries to give decent range. Ford appears to have done basically nothing to reduce weight, it's an F150 with batteries stuffed in the middle.
Tesla semi is likely a pipe dream, really doubt it will happen. Tesla can't even get the Cybertruck out.
#128
Why are you putting quotes around "disadvantage"? I literally bet the EV F-150 wouldn't make it 50 miles towing a boat...for what, $80,000?? As someone mentioned, Car and Driver has already been over this.
Tesla semi is likely a pipe dream, really doubt it will happen. Tesla can't even get the Cybertruck out.
Tesla semi is likely a pipe dream, really doubt it will happen. Tesla can't even get the Cybertruck out.
And Tesla is definitely behind on their schedule to release the CyberTruck , just like every other schedule they've stated in the past. However it's definitely coming out. More than likely before the end of next year - this will be made at the Texas factory. Anyway back to the F150 now.
#129
Share the link to the 50 mile range please.
And Tesla is definitely behind on their schedule to release the CyberTruck , just like every other schedule they've stated in the past. However it's definitely coming out. More than likely before the end of next year - this will be made at the Texas factory. Anyway back to the F150 now.
And Tesla is definitely behind on their schedule to release the CyberTruck , just like every other schedule they've stated in the past. However it's definitely coming out. More than likely before the end of next year - this will be made at the Texas factory. Anyway back to the F150 now.
50 miles is a guess. Heavy truck, towing 3 tons through mountains in the dead of winter? It's not far off, I bet.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-fo...-li-1846936001
BTW Cybertruck won't be out this year, I'd put money on it.
#130
50 miles is a guess. Heavy truck, towing 3 tons through mountains in the dead of winter? It's not far off, I bet.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-fo...-li-1846936001
BTW Cybertruck won't be out this year, I'd put money on it.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-fo...-li-1846936001
BTW Cybertruck won't be out this year, I'd put money on it.
#131
50 miles is a guess. Heavy truck, towing 3 tons through mountains in the dead of winter? It's not far off, I bet.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-fo...-li-1846936001
BTW Cybertruck won't be out this year, I'd put money on it.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-range-towing/
https://jalopnik.com/towing-range-fo...-li-1846936001
BTW Cybertruck won't be out this year, I'd put money on it.
#132
How many construction guys/contractors/company owners/horse towers/boat towers just looking to buy a meat and potatoes truck are going to give two flips about an electric option, let alone one with a terrible range? It's just all for show, glitz...virtue signal. I can't even read Car and Driver anymore, canceled after 35 years.
#133
Why would anyone be towing a boat in the dead of winter? I get your point but using your example doesn’t make a lot of sense. I would just see how many miles it gets towing 3 tons in the dead of summer just for a good comparison but I do get EVs will suck for this task.
#134
I just jump to "boat" example bc that's all I tow....for now.
#135
And back and forth a million times??
"To answer your basic question, my LX would tow a 6k lb boat to Asheville from here through the mountains no problem in zero degree temps provided the roads were safe. And back and forth and back and forth a million times and be fine."
Last edited by Hameed; 12-15-21 at 09:27 AM.