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Old 05-26-21, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
I'm not concerned, but their shilling all over the internet is kind of funny.
You do the exact same thing but in reverse.
Old 05-26-21, 07:04 PM
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Not a bad idea for Tesla. Finding ways to cut costs is a smart move. If they can make it work…I imagine they might, perhaps other automakers will follow. Toyota is already using LiDar, stereo cameras and telescopic cameras with their new LS and Mirai for their advanced driving tech for 2022. My guess is that the entire industry will move away from radar and to a software based camera approach

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Originally Posted by GS3Tek
I think you meant the driver's seat since people are sitting in the rear seats with the auto-pilot.....no?
good one!

Originally Posted by LeX2K
For people not here to simply pound on the table yelling space man bad, good info
your inflammatory rhetoric is over the top.

as for the video by "dr know it all" - another shill with a channel containing a crapload of obsequious tesla, spacex and musk videos?

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Originally Posted by Blaze876
Why is tesla not removing it from the X and S models?
because they sell so few of those at way higher prices so it doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
your inflammatory rhetoric is over the top.
I think you got my posts confused with these.
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
because they sell so few of those at way higher prices so it doesn't matter.
Originally Posted by ABC
Perhaps they will be the spirit airline of the automotive industry one day...
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
what's next, rear seats optional because young drivers don't use them?
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
as for the video by "dr know it all" - another shill with a channel containing a crapload of obsequious tesla, spacex and musk videos?
But I'm the one posting rhetoric. Alrighty then.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
because they sell so few of those at way higher prices so it doesn't matter.
What's confusing me, is it a cost cutting measure or is it that using cameras is better than using both camera and radar?

If it is better to use only cameras then why include it in s and x models?
Old 05-27-21, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Blaze876
What's confusing me, is it a cost cutting measure or is it that using cameras is better than using both camera and radar?

If it is better to use only cameras then why include it in s and x models?
Its both. Cost cutting and more efficient
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Originally Posted by Blaze876
What's confusing me, is it a cost cutting measure or is it that using cameras is better than using both camera and radar?

If it is better to use only cameras then why include it in s and x models?
Its how they've been training their AI that really is the reason for getting rid of radar. They have billions of miles of driven road footage from all of their cars on the road and they input this into the AI so that its learning to drive like a human. Radar readings would supposedly make this much more difficult for the AI vs. just computer vision. Elon talks about this method in interviews and fully believes full computer vision is the best path forward for autonomous auto. Yes there are skeptics and other methods like LIDAR are out there but if he believes in this method, lets see where this leads. I've learned not to doubt too much with Elon's technical prowess.
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Originally Posted by Blaze876
What's confusing me, is it a cost cutting measure or is it that using cameras is better than using both camera and radar?

If it is better to use only cameras then why include it in s and x models?
No, its simple cost cutting. It is much simpler to develop self driving software that only processes input from the cameras, and such software is a lot less demanding on the hardware resources, but without redundancy Tesla's "FSD" system becomes even more of a joke than it already is.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Its how they've been training their AI that really is the reason for getting rid of radar. They have billions of miles of driven road footage from all of their cars on the road and they input this into the AI so that its learning to drive like a human. Radar readings would supposedly make this much more difficult for the AI vs. just computer vision. Elon talks about this method in interviews and fully believes full computer vision is the best path forward for autonomous auto. Yes there are skeptics and other methods like LIDAR are out there but if he believes in this method, lets see where this leads. I've learned not to doubt too much with Elon's technical prowess.
LOL, so many cringe terms - AI, computer vision, learning to drive like a human. Elon is too smart to believe in this nonsense, but as long as clueless fanboys buy into it he keeps raking money. He's a marketing genius.
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Originally Posted by Och
LOL, so many cringe terms - AI, computer vision, learning to drive like a human. Elon is too smart to believe in this nonsense, but as long as clueless fanboys buy into it he keeps raking money. He's a marketing genius.
This is literally the next version of FSD they are releasing in two weeks. He's been outlining this for the last 3 months, so you being completely ignorant of the facts and calling everyone that is sharing information fanboys, is pretty low rent.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
This is literally the next version of FSD they are releasing in two weeks. He's been outlining this for the last 3 months, so you being completely ignorant of the facts and calling everyone that is sharing information fanboys, is pretty low rent.
FSD that can be defeated by a rain droplet, lol. I give Elon all the credit in the world, this BS is created and marketed by a genius for the ignorant.
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I'd trust radar before I trust a camera. I see problems ahead.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Its how they've been training their AI that really is the reason for getting rid of radar. They have billions of miles of driven road footage from all of their cars on the road and they input this into the AI so that its learning to drive like a human. Radar readings would supposedly make this much more difficult for the AI vs. just computer vision. Elon talks about this method in interviews and fully believes full computer vision is the best path forward for autonomous auto. Yes there are skeptics and other methods like LIDAR are out there but if he believes in this method, lets see where this leads. I've learned not to doubt too much with Elon's technical prowess.
so why include radar in upcoming X and S production? Don't you think this contradicts what you just said? What's the purpose of tesla adding radar to X and S if:

1. It cost money to be added to each unit
2. It is not needed for FSD

Why not have radar removed from all models going forward?
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Originally Posted by Bob04
I'd trust radar before I trust a camera. I see problems ahead.
Why is radar better than a 10 camera vision AI system? Provide an example of radar only FSD.


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