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Old 05-27-21, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why is radar better than a 10 camera vision AI system? Provide an example of radar only FSD.
Because humans have five senses, and some of us are fortunate to also have common sense. Helps to see through BS marketing lol.
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Originally Posted by Och
Because humans have five senses, and some of us are fortunate to also have common sense. Helps to see through BS marketing lol.
Looking forward to the common sense five senses full self driving computer.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Looking forward to the common sense five senses full self driving computer.
Dont hold your breath.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why is radar better than a 10 camera vision AI system? Provide an example of radar only FSD.
Because radar doesn't mistaken the side of a white tractor trailer as the sky, decapitate it's driver as it goes under it, and continue driving for a third of a mile like a modern day, electrified headless horseman.

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Originally Posted by Och
Because humans have five senses, and some of us are fortunate to also have common sense. Helps to see through BS marketing lol.
Yeah, it unbelievable the gov, as controlling as it is, hasn't stepped in and put a stop to this. Definitely a safety issue.
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Radar is infallible? Then we'll see radar only FSD very soon.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why is radar better than a 10 camera vision AI system? Provide an example of radar only FSD.
how about because radar can see through fog, rain, at night, etc.?

both are useful in their own ways.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
how about because radar can see through fog, rain, at night, etc.?

both are useful in their own ways.
It's hardly that simple. Radar gives a general map it cannot differentiate between objects anywhere near the granularity of vision. It's not close even compared to one camera. Stitch 10 cameras together into a 4D construct and you have a vastly superior system. The challenge is training software to be able to use the data correctly, the problem is not vision itself.

Let's see how this plays out, vision vs. lidar and radar or whatever combination other auto makers are using. How about this, predict which auto maker will have the best FSD system in 3 years.
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If you have radar on the front bumper it can send out a ping that can bounce between the wheels of the car in the front and can detect two cars ahead. Tesla is making a mistake by removing some of the radar sensors. Nissan has been using this for years radar basically can see two cars ahead and brake the car early. No camera can see this.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Radar is infallible? Then we'll see radar only FSD very soon.
I never said it was infallible. I just trust it more than cameras trying to act like eyes.
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This discussion is getting silly, its not about camera vs radar, autonomous cars should have as many redundant systems as possible. Elon has been absolutely reckless with his FSD nonsense and it just got even worse.
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Originally Posted by Bob04
Because radar doesn't mistaken the side of a white tractor trailer as the sky, decapitate it's driver as it goes under it, and continue driving for a third of a mile like a modern day, electrified headless horseman.
I actually LOL’d at that one, good one.

I do think Tesla is ahead of the curve on full self driving compared to other manufacturers so there has to be more to it than cost cutting.
Old 05-27-21, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I actually LOL’d at that one, good one.

I do think Tesla is ahead of the curve on full self driving compared to other manufacturers so there has to be more to it than cost cutting.
Honda and VW with their A8 are ahead of Tesla.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Honda and VW with their A8 are ahead of Tesla.
No. Those systems are L3 in their own little bubble. Tesla's system is L2 in any situation. Very different.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
No. Those systems are L3 in their own little bubble. Tesla's system is L2 in any situation. Very different.
Haha Nice try. The Audi A8 a certified level 3 vehicle...so is the Honda something it is called.

The only vehicle on the market with level 3 autonomous technology presently available to consumers is the Audi A8


Level 2 systems currently on the market include the Tesla Autopilot, Cadillac Super Cruise, Mercedes-Benz Drive Pilot, and Volvo Pilot Assist.
Tesla is not ahead in any way.


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