Tesla drops radar as Model 3 and Model Y get camera-only Autopilot
#62
Love all the defense of Tesla saving a few bucks off vehicles when everyone else users radar.
But wait, IIHS and consumer reports have now dropped model 3's highest ratings:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...-3-2021-05-27/
But wait, IIHS and consumer reports have now dropped model 3's highest ratings:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...-3-2021-05-27/
#63
#64
But here I am again, reading your sarcastic, biting quips about how Tesla is garbage and does everything wrong.
#65
Granted, Tesla DID lead the way in more-efficient electric motors and battery-packs for vehicles......but that was brought on mostly by government BEV demands.....and, to an extent, by the State of California (CARB).
And, with all due respect, let's get back to topic.......Tesla's autopilot. However, I won't comment much on that, though, because I'm not enough of an expert on the differences between the radar and camera-based systems to really express a credible opinion. I know a fair amount about radar from my aviation and storm-detection training (and a little about police radar), but not how it serves as a basis for self-driving vehicles.
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-27-21 at 07:20 PM.
#67
Can I put this in my signature?
Do you think Tesla knows a fair bit about radar, lidar, vision, FSD, AI, data collection, neural networks? Or are they just stupid and removed radar to save $100.
And, with all due respect, let's get back to topic.......Tesla's autopilot. However, I won't comment much on that, though, because I'm not enough of an expert on the differences between the radar and camera-based systems to really express a credible opinion. I know a fair amount about radar from my aviation and storm-detection training (and a little about police radar), but not how it serves as a basis for self-driving vehicles.
#68
IMO, there's nothing wrong with the signature you have now.....two good products in the ES and Camry of that vintage.
Like I said (if you had read it), I can't comment on the specific technicalities of radar. But, first, cost-cutting is rampant in the industry (we know that), and, Second, radar or cameras, either way, it can't be any more stupid than trying to drive from the rear seat like that young guy tried to do.
Or are they just stupid and removed radar to save $100.
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-27-21 at 07:47 PM.
#70
I don't know very many people who are chuckling at the 2000 ES or Camry....nor who will be likely to do so in the future. They were (and still are) two good products, although the very best Camrys were probably made from 1992-96.
One thing that people probably WILL chuckle about, though, as history rolls along, was Musk's actions and behavior.
One thing that people probably WILL chuckle about, though, as history rolls along, was Musk's actions and behavior.
#71
I still can't get an answer why S and X models will still have radars in new models? How does that benefit tesla to spend more money in putting in a radar and it won't be used?
#72
There's a few points I'd make here:
1. Tesla deserves all the criticism they get on FSD because it's an option people can pay for, yet it is so ridiculously far past the original date Elon speculated (end of 2018 I think).
2. I have a hard time saying it's a scam when they're pouring the kind of resources into it that they are. Autopilot has improved drastically in the 2.5 years we've had the car, but how close it is to FSD is anyone's guess.
3. Personally I view the drop of radar as a good thing. It's been a contributing factor in phantom braking and crashing into stationary objects, and from what they've stated in the past the granularity is just not ideal. Honestly we have no idea how much the radar is even being used currently. The autopilot section of the Model S and Model 3 pages on their website are identical with no mention of radar, so I wouldn't be surprised if S/X drop it as well at some point.
4. I'm certain we would not have any of the cool EVs coming out yet without Tesla pushing other manufacturers. All of these cars are responses to Tesla, so yes they revolutionized the industry by getting everyone over the hump from Spark ev pieces of crap and functional yet lame and ugly Leafs to real electrified cars people actually like much more quickly.
1. Tesla deserves all the criticism they get on FSD because it's an option people can pay for, yet it is so ridiculously far past the original date Elon speculated (end of 2018 I think).
2. I have a hard time saying it's a scam when they're pouring the kind of resources into it that they are. Autopilot has improved drastically in the 2.5 years we've had the car, but how close it is to FSD is anyone's guess.
3. Personally I view the drop of radar as a good thing. It's been a contributing factor in phantom braking and crashing into stationary objects, and from what they've stated in the past the granularity is just not ideal. Honestly we have no idea how much the radar is even being used currently. The autopilot section of the Model S and Model 3 pages on their website are identical with no mention of radar, so I wouldn't be surprised if S/X drop it as well at some point.
4. I'm certain we would not have any of the cool EVs coming out yet without Tesla pushing other manufacturers. All of these cars are responses to Tesla, so yes they revolutionized the industry by getting everyone over the hump from Spark ev pieces of crap and functional yet lame and ugly Leafs to real electrified cars people actually like much more quickly.
#73
I predict FSD is 2 years out to being a reality. Elon time is a real thing, what he wants to do and what is currently possible often don't align. Steve Jobs was like this to the point he got kicked out of Apple.
#74
Someone on Twitter may ask him about this (or already has) he often responds to questions. Don't know why Tesla would do this doesn't make sense, could be that the hardware is already baked in and will be removed later. Keep in mind Tesla is a fast moving company they make running changes FAR more often than any other auto maker. This is mostly good sometimes bad.
I predict FSD is 2 years out to being a reality. Elon time is a real thing, what he wants to do and what is currently possible often don't align. Steve Jobs was like this to the point he got kicked out of Apple.
I predict FSD is 2 years out to being a reality. Elon time is a real thing, what he wants to do and what is currently possible often don't align. Steve Jobs was like this to the point he got kicked out of Apple.
Makes me wonder if it is relating to chip shortages. I read Tesla had a stock pile of model 3/y not being delivered because of a missing part. Could it have been the radar and due to this that's what made them decide to do away with it? Kind of a conspiracy theory but nothing else makes sense.
Imo actual self driving on any road (not mapped) is 10 years out minimum by any manufacturer.
#75
Love all the defense of Tesla saving a few bucks off vehicles when everyone else users radar.
But wait, IIHS and consumer reports have now dropped model 3's highest ratings:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...-3-2021-05-27/
But wait, IIHS and consumer reports have now dropped model 3's highest ratings:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/c...-3-2021-05-27/
https://electrek.co/2021/05/28/tesla...-media-saying/
Reuters really is as bad as the trolls sometimes.