Tesla drops radar as Model 3 and Model Y get camera-only Autopilot
05-31-21, 10:17 AM
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05-31-21, 10:19 AM
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Autopilot in an aircraft requires the pilot to supervise at all times.
05-31-21, 10:59 AM
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'supervise' is different than ready to take over at a moment's notice. They're monitoring fuel, instruments, flight plan, gps, talking to ATC, talking with crew and other pilots, etc. or should be.
Great thread here:
https://www.quora.com/What-do-pilots...e-in-autopilot
this part kinda scary
Great thread here:
https://www.quora.com/What-do-pilots...e-in-autopilot
this part kinda scary
A story I have heard, third hand, told about a person flying a Cirrus SR-22, a high tech, high performance, single engine, piston airplane, who landed at an airport in the Denver Area. The pilot asked to be topped off. The lineman opened one tank, and it was full. Opened the other tank and it was nearly starved of fuel. The lineman queried the pilot about fuel management, the pilot responded, that he was watching a movie!
05-31-21, 12:50 PM
#95
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Great post but on this point the problem is tesla's overblown claims of "full self-driving" and "autopilot". No other manufacturer makes such claims or calls their features such things. I don't imagine pilots of commercial airlines with their hands lightly on the yoke and in full attention in case the plane does the wrong thing. With big claims comes big responsibility.
That said, the reaction from colleagues and friends at work was sheer disbelief when they saw the Model S come to me from the far end of the parking lot -- backing out of the space, navigating two speed bumps and three turns, and even pausing when it detected someone walking across its path. That was pretty much full self-driving as no one was in the car.
AP and FSD can be amazing at times or fraught with danger. I have said it before and repeat it again, I would never trust my life to AP or FSD, but the feature has a place and can be useful. My daily commute doesn't really require AP but I've taken trips where I used radar AP for 50 miles and it was absolutely perfect, even at night. I think I've shared a time where I was exiting the freeway with FSD and the car detected construction cones around the bend and reacted faster than I could, even though I was aware and monitoring the road too. The marketing of AP/FSD may sound extreme but, in my experience, the car can do what is claimed, not 100% of the time but it is dang pretty impressive from what I've seen first-hand and has made me a believer that it can enhance driver safety. To piggyback on your pilot analogy, I treat AP/FSD as a co-pilot or sidekick that's watching out for me but I have absolute veto power.
06-02-21, 06:21 AM
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Funny how big a flip flop...
and this:
more here https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...fe-2021-06-02/
"Good thing about radar is that, unlike lidar ... it can see through rain, snow, fog and dust," Musk tweeted in 2016. Tesla also said radar "plays an essential role in detecting and responding to forward objects."
and this:
The loss of radar degrades driver-support features enough "to render them less usable to unusable in adverse weather conditions," Steven Shladover, a research engineer at Berkeley University of California.
"It makes no sense whatsoever technologically - only a way of reducing cost of components," he said.
"It makes no sense whatsoever technologically - only a way of reducing cost of components," he said.
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