Toys4RJill

Ah gat yeah. Knew you didn’t love it…it’s just the styling you don’t like . You like the interior?

SW17LS

I dont love the interior, but I have to see it in person. I like the interior with the hyperscreen better than the W223 S Class interior with the tablets.

Toys4RJill

I like the exterior and interior from the pics. But I agree I guess it is best to just see it in person. I think the new EQS will be the test if big giant luxo barges can sell well. Still awaiting MSRP as well.

as for the interior is the S class…the same design of the C class kinda kills it for me. It’s just scaled bigger. I watched a few reviews and it’s seems a little difficult to use as well.

EZZ

Again, your typical mischaracterization of the situation. Tesla sold out of Model Ys already in Q3. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla...144537289.html. They are doing fine and are supply constrained. No matter how much you dislike Tesla or mischaracterize the, this doesn't change. EVs are a growing segment and Tesla will continue to grow with it. Share is moot in a rapidly growing pie. They sell everyone last one of the cars they make and can't keep up with demand. Sounds like a happy problem to me.

SW17LS

I think the styling is too weird for it to be a good test. You're going to have a lot of traditional luxury sedan buyers like me who won't adopt it because of its looks.

Mercedes has always really made the interiors look similar, that doesn't bother me at all, the quality in the S Class is so much higher than a C Class, what it looks like in a picture just isn't going to move the needle for me. The overwhelming tech is one thing, that screen in front of the steering wheel just looks so crappy to me. In the videos where the reviewer is being filmed from the windshield you see the side of it and its just smooth crappy electronic plastic...at least it should have been OLED thin or something.

Toys4RJill

I don’t dislike Tesla. However, their market share in the US is decreasing as other brands start to enter the EV space. It is interesting to see how they respond. I know you don’t agree that there is more streamlined cost cutting going on…but they are finding ways to stay ahead for their customers which is a good thing . I saw someone else post in this thread a while ago that Tesla S update was because consumers are fleeing the brand for Porsche as well as Mach E. It’s fun to view Tesla’s pros as well as their cons and see how that applies to the new EVs entering the space.

LeX2K

Another disingenuous argument from you why do you keep doing this? Explain how Tesla's sales are set to double this year but their market share will go down. Yes that will happen and is normal and expected.

Toys4RJill

US sales will NOT double in 2021. I have consistently said that US market share has declined so far in 2021 even though their sales are up in the first quarter. Tesla S sales got crushed in 2021…so Tesla increased their top spec MSRPs which was the right thing to do

EZZ

The Model S was essentially 9 years old and needed a refresh. Why would anyone buy a 9 year old design with better alternatives in the Taycan or Etron GT. This new Model S will somewhat reinvigorate sales again as its new. Also, the Model 3/Y have already cannabalized a portion of sales as they are cheaper. You can be sure the Plaid model will steal sales away from those considering Taycans as its significantly higher performance than any Porsche at this point. Mach E and Model S don't compete at all. Mach E competes with Model Y and the Model Y outsells it by a ton.

LeX2K

Tesla share will go down but the EV slice of the automotive pie will go UP. You are 100% aware of this but still choose to try and frame it like Tesla sales are dropping. S stopped production completely, zero were produced but of course you specifically fail to mention this.

SW17LS

Come on, you have to be intellectually honest. Tesla Model S sales were way down, but they also have completely stopped production for months. This has already been discussed in this thread as a part of my point about Tesla making the wrong choice when they didn't fully redesign the Model S, a point that you disagreed with, by the way.

Toys4RJill

I disagree that redesigning the S from the ground up because it likely would not increase sales. Why waste all the development costs when you can use it for something else. I think the plant was down for 6 months which seems like a longtime. It was a smart business move for Tesla to update the S and not fully redesign it.

SW17LS

So you acknowledge that the plant has been down for all of 2021 yet you want to use the Model S's lower sales in 2021 against it? Thats the intellectual dishonesty I'm referencing.

Toys4RJill

Why wouldn’t Tesla build out enough S models so sales do not fall? Most manufacturers would not close their plant for 6 months for a refresh/update. That is the issue. 6 months down is BAD. Perhaps Tesla knew that demand had softened late last year

bitkahuna

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I believe vw is either owner or big investor in electrify america so it can be done.

5 plaids already in for service?

My LC has already had a couple of OTA updates from Lexus. Granted, it's a dumber car than rocks compared to a tesla, but still.

No, tesla has lots of other reasons. They're collecting VAST amounts of data about every aspect of driving and using a tesla. Seems tesla owners don't care about the privacy issues, but hey, it's fast 0-60 right? Resistance is futile.

wrong.

Agreed.