Tesla Model S Plaid
06-22-21, 06:31 PM
#496
Lexus Fanatic
You're original argument is that Oems could do it better than Tesla. It's in post above. When we tear your argument apart, you now say only Tesla needs to do it? Obviously you can't defend it so you change subjects.
That Mach E hasn't had a substantial update yet. Just simple OtAs nothing like Tesla. That Mach E software is laggy compared to Tesla too. Terrible example of OEM software superiority. Lol.
That Mach E hasn't had a substantial update yet. Just simple OtAs nothing like Tesla. That Mach E software is laggy compared to Tesla too. Terrible example of OEM software superiority. Lol.
I am willing to bet you Toyota and Honda will not have reliability problems with their systems.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors..._update_tesla/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...talled.168118/
Stuck at "Software Update In Progress" on the Tesla apps - now fixed
Edit; no idea how to delete the spoiler thing on my iPad ,
Spoiler
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-22-21 at 06:56 PM.
06-22-21, 07:22 PM
#497
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
Tesla, having such lofty goals and being a 'disruptor', NEEDED to provide updates to address no doubt a long list of bugs as well as add new features. A lot of what they added was likely already baked into ICE cars that have been around for a century.
Of course ice cars don't have juvenile video games and fart cushions though.
06-22-21, 07:45 PM
#498
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Tesla needed it to stop abuse of their "autopilot" (not) and fail self driving function. More about liability than some great new feature.I don't keep up on all tesla OTA updates, so when was the last one that did anything significant? I saw one a year or two ago that added 10mi. of range to the Y supposedly. That's great.
Tesla, having such lofty goals and being a 'disruptor', NEEDED to provide updates to address no doubt a long list of bugs as well as add new features. A lot of what they added was likely already baked into ICE cars that have been around for a century.
Of course ice cars don't have juvenile video games and fart cushions though.
Tesla, having such lofty goals and being a 'disruptor', NEEDED to provide updates to address no doubt a long list of bugs as well as add new features. A lot of what they added was likely already baked into ICE cars that have been around for a century.
Of course ice cars don't have juvenile video games and fart cushions though.
sure keep believing that.
06-22-21, 07:51 PM
#499
Lexus Fanatic
Tesla added features that were in cars since 1921. Interesting.
06-22-21, 07:57 PM
#500
Lexus Fanatic
The bottom line is Tesla is a huge driver of much of what we see in the automotive space right now. So much of what is being designed into all manner of vehicles is because of Tesla...they are innovating and driving the narrative in the industry unlike any carmaker I can remember in my time...the closest one I can think of is Lexus.
06-22-21, 07:58 PM
#501
The bottom line is Tesla is a huge driver of much of what we see in the automotive space right now. So much of what is being designed into all manner of vehicles is because of Tesla...they are innovating and driving the narrative in the industry unlike any carmaker I can remember in my time...the closest one I can think of is Lexus.
06-22-21, 08:03 PM
#502
Lexus Fanatic
I would certainly hope not too!
But if you think about it, you can see in every modern car Lexus' influence. You see it in design, switchgear, optitron gauges are a big one. You can see Tesla's influence in every new car design thats coming out.
But if you think about it, you can see in every modern car Lexus' influence. You see it in design, switchgear, optitron gauges are a big one. You can see Tesla's influence in every new car design thats coming out.
06-22-21, 08:19 PM
#503
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
no, tesla's still missing them... 360 camera, HUD, they finally offer cooled seats on the S but not on 3 or Y, no apple carplay or android auto, no sirius xm radio, and on and on. May not be important to you (not that you'd know you don't own one), but to many they are important.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...er-cars-2019-8
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...er-cars-2019-8
Last edited by bitkahuna; 06-22-21 at 08:23 PM.
06-22-21, 08:21 PM
#504
Lexus Fanatic
no, tesla's still missing them... 360 camera, HUD, they finally offer cooled seats on the S but not on 3 or Y, no apple carplay or android auto, no sirius xm radio, and on and on. May not be important to you (not that you'd know you don't own one), but to many they are important.
06-22-21, 08:32 PM
#505
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Exactly. Those features aren't exactly cutting edge. Its a cost vs. design vs. Elon ego decision. Tesla's simply aren't for everybody and I never claimed they were. But they are undoubtedly the most disruptive car manufacturer in the last 20 years easily. They proved that there was an alternative path other than petrol and is driving significant change through that discovery. Anybody says that OEMs can match their software prowess? Prove it because I haven't seen squat from the OEMs in that regards. In fact, the favorite feature in most cars are Carplay / Android Auto because the native systems are garbage (with Lexus being the worst steaming pile of them all). I can't believe we are even arguing software prowess and OTA ability. Its just as silly as me arguing that Tesla has quality that matches Lexus. lol
06-22-21, 08:37 PM
#506
Lexus Fanatic
no, tesla's still missing them... 360 camera, HUD, they finally offer cooled seats on the S but not on 3 or Y, no apple carplay or android auto, no sirius xm radio, and on and on. May not be important to you (not that you'd know you don't own one), but to many they are important.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...er-cars-2019-8
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...er-cars-2019-8
06-22-21, 08:37 PM
#507
Lexus Fanatic
06-22-21, 08:41 PM
#508
EV ftw!!!
06-22-21, 08:46 PM
#509
Lexus Fanatic
Ha. OEM have already started offering over the air. The difference will be that the OEM while not as comprehensive, it will be cheaper to develop and far more reliable. Not everyone wants their car to be changed by the manufacture, or bricked etc etc or worst of all left out of the software updates as to when a manufacture calls the car obsolete. Tesla will continue offering loads of features at the expense of long term reliability.
https://electrek.co/2019/06/20/tesla...ate-longevity/
https://electrek.co/2019/06/20/tesla...ate-longevity/
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 06-22-21 at 08:50 PM.
06-22-21, 08:50 PM
#510
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Wow...talk about missing the forest from the trees. You're now saying that feature completeness is considered innovation? If thats the case, just give that award to a Mercedes or Hyundai that include every feature under the roof. hahaha. Innovation is doing something new that hasn't been done before, not implementing features that are already present in other cars like rear wheel steering...who freaking cares.
A company that drives the industry to begin a wholesale change in their R&D allocations to an alternative energy source is innovative and disruptive. Everyone else are just followers.
A company that drives the industry to begin a wholesale change in their R&D allocations to an alternative energy source is innovative and disruptive. Everyone else are just followers.