Tesla Model S Plaid
06-22-21, 08:52 PM
#511
Lexus Fanatic
Wow...talk about missing the forest from the trees. You're now saying that feature completeness is considered innovation? If thats the case, just give that award to a Mercedes or Hyundai that include every feature under the roof. hahaha. Innovation is doing something new that hasn't been done before, not implementing features that are already present in other cars like rear wheel steering...who freaking cares.
A company that drives the industry to begin a wholesale change in their R&D allocations to an alternative energy source is innovative and disruptive. Everyone else are just followers.
A company that drives the industry to begin a wholesale change in their R&D allocations to an alternative energy source is innovative and disruptive. Everyone else are just followers.
06-22-21, 08:53 PM
#512
Lexus Fanatic
And when MERCEDES starts following, you know you're the innovator. Think of the times that has happened in the last 30 years, I can only think of one other time and thats when Lexus launched. Look at the EQS and Mercedes new interior/infotainment layout, thats all Tesla.
06-22-21, 09:00 PM
#513
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Agree completely. Everyone arguing against this looks like plain haters in denial. Its amusing to even argue the influence they had in the industry in the last 5 years. The other hilarious arguments i've heard are that straightline performance doesn't mater....what? Lambo, Ferrari, and Porsche have all been evolving their cars in the last 50 years to make them faster. Here comes Tesla and completely crushes them...just stomps them in straight-line now and suddenly...it doesn't matter. LOL. Please. Again, disruption taking place as the Plaid is the fastest accelerating production car ever made for only $130k. Sorry but not going to let anyone just dismiss this accomplishment.
06-22-21, 09:02 PM
#514
Lexus Fanatic
06-22-21, 09:05 PM
#515
Lexus Fanatic
Agree completely. Everyone arguing against this looks like plain haters in denial. Its amusing to even argue the influence they had in the industry in the last 5 years. The other hilarious arguments i've heard are that straightline performance doesn't mater....what? Lambo, Ferrari, and Porsche have all been evolving their cars in the last 50 years to make them faster. Here comes Tesla and completely crushes them...just stomps them in straight-line now and suddenly...it doesn't matter. LOL. Please. Again, disruption taking place as the Plaid is the fastest accelerating production car ever made for only $130k. Sorry but not going to let anyone just dismiss this accomplishment.
Why? Why does the weight matter if the range, performance and characteristics are there? It doesn't. EVs are way heavier than gas cars.
06-22-21, 09:19 PM
#516
Lexus Fanatic
Some of the accomplishments are quite fascinating. As for the impact, I’m also interested in how legacy automakers react and what roadblocks are ahead for the EV space. But kudos to some of the interesting Tesla innovations
06-23-21, 03:37 AM
#517
- performance
- fuel usage
- handling
EQS is 516kg heavier than Model S, which means to match its range, it has to have bigger battery, which is not only heavier but also slower to charge and more expensive.
Then you will have much slower 0-60 performance, but not only that, what you do not see in WLTP test is when you actually accelerate, it will spend a lot more electricity simply because that huge weight disadvantage.
So yeah, being 1100 lbs heavier than main competition matters a lot.
06-23-21, 04:59 AM
#518
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
but how exactly has mercedes 'copied' tesla with the EQS? Yes like tesla it's futuristic and electric but that doesn't mean they're copying, any more than the taycan is copying. Is the audi etron-gt copying too? Looks NOTHING like any tesla.
Its amusing to even argue the influence they had in the industry in the last 5 years.
The other hilarious arguments i've heard are that straightline performance doesn't mater....what? Lambo, Ferrari, and Porsche have all been evolving their cars in the last 50 years to make them faster. Here comes Tesla and completely crushes them...just stomps them in straight-line now and suddenly...it doesn't matter. LOL. Please. Again, disruption taking place as the Plaid is the fastest accelerating production car ever made for only $130k. Sorry but not going to let anyone just dismiss this accomplishment.
06-23-21, 06:01 AM
#519
EV ftw!!!
Really? I don't get saying mercedes is copying tesla and i'm not a hater. Tesla is amazing. But the EQS is NOTHING like a Model S. Yes they both have screens. They're both EVs. They're both cars. but how exactly has mercedes 'copied' tesla with the EQS? Yes like tesla it's futuristic and electric but that doesn't mean they're copying, any more than the taycan is copying. Is the audi etron-gt copying too? Looks NOTHING like any tesla.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30537731/tesla-sentry-mode-foils-break-in/#:~:text=Tesla's%20Sentry%20mode%20launched%20in,feature%20could%20help%20nab%20criminals
Regarding your last point about Tesla customers expecting OTA, that's why Tesla does it? No it's the other way around. Tesla does it because they want to improve their cars over time and fix bugs ofcourse or add features they have promised but failed to deliver before delivery as they know that a Tesla customer will be ok with it.
06-23-21, 07:55 AM
#520
Lexus Fanatic
! I also agree ICE makers have been playing catch up. where we probably disagree is the size of the gap. Innovation will come rapidly from other players. And teslas, as we all know, have unique qualities that not everyone finds appealing. The EV market will grow. Tesla's share of that market will shrink but with a growing pie their sales can definitely increase. We'll see.
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Fun times!!!!
06-23-21, 07:56 AM
#521
Lexus Fanatic
The fact that we are interested to see how "legacy automakers" (which itself is a term thats devised to just somehow denigrate Tesla) react is proof of the huge impact Tesla has made on the industry.
it matters in the same way it matters for vehicles with an engine.
- performance
- fuel usage
- handling
EQS is 516kg heavier than Model S, which means to match its range, it has to have bigger battery, which is not only heavier but also slower to charge and more expensive.
Then you will have much slower 0-60 performance, but not only that, what you do not see in WLTP test is when you actually accelerate, it will spend a lot more electricity simply because that huge weight disadvantage.
- performance
- fuel usage
- handling
EQS is 516kg heavier than Model S, which means to match its range, it has to have bigger battery, which is not only heavier but also slower to charge and more expensive.
Then you will have much slower 0-60 performance, but not only that, what you do not see in WLTP test is when you actually accelerate, it will spend a lot more electricity simply because that huge weight disadvantage.
I would take an EQS all day long over a Model S and I wouldnt even give the weight a second thought.
So yeah, being 1100 lbs heavier than main competition matters a lot.
Really? I don't get saying mercedes is copying tesla and i'm not a hater. Tesla is amazing. But the EQS is NOTHING like a Model S. Yes they both have screens. They're both EVs. They're both cars. but how exactly has mercedes 'copied' tesla with the EQS? Yes like tesla it's futuristic and electric but that doesn't mean they're copying, any more than the taycan is copying. Is the audi etron-gt copying too? Looks NOTHING like any tesla.
but how exactly has mercedes 'copied' tesla with the EQS? Yes like tesla it's futuristic and electric but that doesn't mean they're copying, any more than the taycan is copying. Is the audi etron-gt copying too? Looks NOTHING like any tesla.
not sure who argued that... tesla has obviously had a giant influence since they started.
06-23-21, 07:59 AM
#522
Lexus Fanatic
I don’t think I have ever said Tesla did not have an impact.
06-23-21, 08:00 AM
#523
Lexus Fanatic
06-23-21, 08:15 AM
#524
Lexus Fanatic
06-23-21, 08:26 AM
#525
Lexus Fanatic
I personally am biased to like companies like Tesla because I value innovation and hustle and disruption over the status quo.