bitkahuna

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if straight line speed and acceleration is the most important thing to someone, great for them, it's certainly a great achievement. But for me the interior is still too plain for a $140k car (someone's going to say it's under $130K but not if you want something other than white and don't want the ugly wheels).

you're right there! in a straight line at least. It's still a heavy large 4 door sedan. I think a 911 turbo s would crush it on a twisty course.

bitkahuna

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he sounds just like scotty kilmer.

i also noticed he didn't use the stupid yoke.

EZZ

The Ring time for the 911 Turbo S is about 7:18. The test mule Plaid was doing 7:19, not official for gives you a sense of what it may do when tested. Also, the Turbo S around Laguna Seca is around 1:32. The Plaid has officially done it in 1:30 so I don't think its crushing it in any case due to the obscene power making up any handling shortfalls.

Hameed

I don't think anyone doubts that a 911 that weighs much less than the Plaid will definitely handle and feel tons better, but I don't know about "crushing" it. The video posted above shows it in the twisties and it's not doing that badly.

Toys4RJill

Telsa S weights like 4800lbs…I think Taycan is up there too….something lighter like a 911 definitely would crush both.

Hameed

Did you watch the video?

Toys4RJill

I certainly did. The stripped down S plaid did well.

EZZ

But it doesn't.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-record-video/

Does that make the 911 an underachiever or the Tesla an overachiever.

EZZ

None of the cars in that competition are stock...they are prepped race cars. The only difference with the Tesla is that it has a stock powertrain. The car is gutted with a completely new race suspension and did great for a huge boat of a car

Toys4RJill

The S only does well because of the monster speed from the high HP. Get to real twisting and the 911 will handle far better

JeffKeryk

Yes, Teslas are pig heavy, but in a far different way than ICE cars due to the low center of gravity.
Regarding handling, the prepped Model 3 Performance cars constantly outperform BMW M cars and Porsches.
Again, the results have shown just how far behind the other manufacturers are.
Right now, nothing can touch a Plaid.

The rules have changed. And wait for the Roadster 2...

Hameed

How much weight would they have saved on the S? The body panels are aluminum and the majority of the weight is the drivetrain/battery which is still stock.

EZZ

The original argument was that the 911 would crush it on a twisty course. On a course or track, the Plaid seems to get similar times because it makes up for its weight and handling deficiency with brute force. On any handling area, the Porsche would beat it for sure being 1000 lbs lighter with supreme handling dynamics, but, the lower center of gravity in the Taycan and Model S make the car handle very well and faaaaar better than any ICE equivalent car at the same weight.

Hameed

Nobody is arguing that a heavy 4 door sedan will outhandle a 911. Not sure where you're getting that from. All I'm saying is that for a heavy 4- door sedan it's not doing badly at all in the twisties.

EZZ

I bet over 500 lbs was saved. If you take out all the insulation and seats and gut the car, its a lot weight. Of course, the other cars are all race prepped too so much lighter than stock. The Plaid did AMAZING, no questions about it. Its a 5-7 seater large family sedan competing with fully prepped race cars.