Tesla Model S Plaid
06-29-21, 09:31 AM
#662
Lexus Fanatic
a taycan turbo s is under 3 seconds 0-60. A plaid isn't under 2s as claimed everywhere because that's typical tesla hype BS because they time it from the car ALREADY MOVING (at likely 6mph with 'rollout') on specially prepared drag strip and 10 minutes of magical incantations to get the car 'ready'. Plaid is more like 2.3 0-60. Still BLINDINGLY fast, no doubt the fastest 4 door sedan in production by far, and so fast that it's likely dangerous in all but the most experienced/capable drivers. A 911 turbo s is 2.6 0-60, so barely any different, but of course that's a 2 door coupe.
06-29-21, 09:35 AM
#663
Lexus Test Driver
He did a great review video highlighting all the fit/finish issues on his car. To him, they are not a big deal because this is a beater car in his garage. He would be throwing a fit if his new Porsche was delivered with such imperfections.
For most people, it will be the MAIN car. Therefore the glaring subpar build quality is truly unacceptable for cars over $50k.
06-29-21, 09:40 AM
#664
Lexus Test Driver
Historically all automakers copy each other - that’s why its so rare to see a groundbreaking design.
Just look at the dumb “Big Grill” trend!
06-29-21, 09:45 AM
#665
Lexus Fanatic
06-29-21, 09:49 AM
#666
Lexus Test Driver
The Plaid is traction limited under 70mph. Owners have described feeling like the tires are slipping and pulling power below 70mph due to the insane hp. From any roll, the Plaid will fly from the 911 Turbo S and Taycan Turbo S easily and it should...its trapping 15-20mph faster in the quarter mile. Its also the fastest accelerating car between 60-130mph on draggy results besting the Senna which was the previous record holder. The Porsche's aren't really close to the Plaid in straightline performance at all.
A 911Turbo S is just as good in a straight line as it is on the track - running all day without issues. Purpose of these cars are much different.
Taycan is the car that should be in the discussion.
Right now there is ZERO doubt that Tesla makes the best EV performance cars and this will continue for years to come. Rimac will be better but costs over $1million.
06-29-21, 09:56 AM
#667
Lexus Test Driver
Musk is a great showman but products are now really lagging and this Model S redesign seems very lazy. Styling is one of the cheapest things to improve on. They have the new battery tech, the best autopilot, the best multimedia tech and then they lay an egg with a boring same exterior design.
The new car should have been much more futuristic.
If the new Model S had a crazy futuristic design with 1.99sec 0-60 time, I guarantee Tesla would have had preorders for next 5years.
06-29-21, 10:11 AM
#668
Lexus Fanatic
06-29-21, 10:20 AM
#669
EV ftw!!!
Fandom is good but can also disappear quickly if you are not providing new products to meet its appetite.
Musk is a great showman but products are now really lagging and this Model S redesign seems very lazy. Styling is one of the cheapest things to improve on. They have the new battery tech, the best autopilot, the best multimedia tech and then they lay an egg with a boring same exterior design.
Musk is a great showman but products are now really lagging and this Model S redesign seems very lazy. Styling is one of the cheapest things to improve on. They have the new battery tech, the best autopilot, the best multimedia tech and then they lay an egg with a boring same exterior design.
All of your comments are just that - your point of view, not facts that are indicative of how their laziness in design, lack of innovation, no futuristic design etc, NONE of which are affecting their sales and bottom line. Does that mean they shouldn't change anything as far as you're concerned? No, it doesn't, but it's the reality of the business and its working for them and has worked for the last 10+. I can't compare myself in intellect and neither can you to Elon Musk, so there's that too.
Last edited by Hameed; 06-29-21 at 10:23 AM.
06-29-21, 10:20 AM
#670
Lexus Fanatic
Seriously?!? Every carmaker's approach to infotainment has basically been inspired by Tesla. You can see it from Fords to Mercedes and everywhere inbetween. Read reviews of the new W223 S Class without mention of the word "Tesla"
06-29-21, 10:23 AM
#671
Lexus Test Driver
That’s not the right way of looking at things though.
Other automakers- MB, BMW, Porsche, Ford, GM etc - all have long history and generations of owners. They don’t need revolutionary futuristic designs.
Tesla fandom is based on changing what we know about driving or what cars can do. If you want that fandom to continue, you need to deliver those radical products.
Model X was great example with falcon doors and really only Tesla could have made that. Same with CyberTruck.
This new Model S is a bean counter design and completely against what Tesla is known for.
Model 3 and Y are both snooze fest.
Other automakers- MB, BMW, Porsche, Ford, GM etc - all have long history and generations of owners. They don’t need revolutionary futuristic designs.
Tesla fandom is based on changing what we know about driving or what cars can do. If you want that fandom to continue, you need to deliver those radical products.
Model X was great example with falcon doors and really only Tesla could have made that. Same with CyberTruck.
This new Model S is a bean counter design and completely against what Tesla is known for.
Model 3 and Y are both snooze fest.
06-29-21, 10:27 AM
#672
Lexus Test Driver
Provide a link to back up this comment. ^^
All of your comments are just that - your point of view, not facts that are indicative of how their laziness in design, lack of innovation, no futuristic design etc, NONE of which are affecting their sales and bottom line. Does that mean they shouldn't change anything as far as you're concerned? No, it doesn't, but it's the reality of the business and its working for them and has worked for the last 10+. I can't compare myself in intellect and neither can you to Elon Musk, so there's that too.
All of your comments are just that - your point of view, not facts that are indicative of how their laziness in design, lack of innovation, no futuristic design etc, NONE of which are affecting their sales and bottom line. Does that mean they shouldn't change anything as far as you're concerned? No, it doesn't, but it's the reality of the business and its working for them and has worked for the last 10+. I can't compare myself in intellect and neither can you to Elon Musk, so there's that too.
Also Tesla sales are increasing because they are expanding into new markets. I don’t think the increases are dramatic in existing places such as CA or NY.
06-29-21, 10:42 AM
#673
EV ftw!!!
Toyota sells more cars than everyone doesn’t mean that their products are some of the most ugly and boring cars/suvs available.
Also Tesla sales are increasing because they are expanding into new markets. I don’t think the increases are dramatic in existing places such as CA or NY.
Also Tesla sales are increasing because they are expanding into new markets. I don’t think the increases are dramatic in existing places such as CA or NY.
06-29-21, 10:49 AM
#674
Lexus Fanatic
That’s not the right way of looking at things though.
Other automakers- MB, BMW, Porsche, Ford, GM etc - all have long history and generations of owners. They don’t need revolutionary futuristic designs.
Tesla fandom is based on changing what we know about driving or what cars can do. If you want that fandom to continue, you need to deliver those radical products.
Model X was great example with falcon doors and really only Tesla could have made that. Same with CyberTruck.
This new Model S is a bean counter design and completely against what Tesla is known for.
Model 3 and Y are both snooze fest.
Other automakers- MB, BMW, Porsche, Ford, GM etc - all have long history and generations of owners. They don’t need revolutionary futuristic designs.
Tesla fandom is based on changing what we know about driving or what cars can do. If you want that fandom to continue, you need to deliver those radical products.
Model X was great example with falcon doors and really only Tesla could have made that. Same with CyberTruck.
This new Model S is a bean counter design and completely against what Tesla is known for.
Model 3 and Y are both snooze fest.
06-29-21, 11:03 AM
#675
I got a good laugh out of this article. Elon statue in Manhattan, we truly live in a clown world.
https://thenextweb.com/news/elon-mus...ing-inequality
https://thenextweb.com/news/elon-mus...ing-inequality