swajames

There's a 3.8% difference between the quickest Nurburgring time on your list, the Jag XE at 7:18, and the Tesla Plaid at 7:35.

The difference in acceleration between all of the cars on your list and the Model S is, however, considerably greater than 3.8% (it doesn't matter whether we're talking 0-60, 0-100, quarter mile).

So the only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that the Tesla is much closer to the other cars in terms of handling than they are to the Tesla in terms of acceleration.

The Panamera Turbo S, Mercedes AMG GT 63 S and BMW M5 CS all have a higher MSRP. The Jag, when it was available, had a higher MSRP than the Porsche, MB and BMW.

I don't know there's really much to argue here, the Tesla acquits itself more than admirably in this company.

peteharvey

However, these cars are well designed, well manufactured and well assembled, without trying too hard with yolk steering wheels and crooked dashboards.
i cant stand poor quality of manufacture.

Overall, Teslas have excellent drivelines, let down by sometimes questionable design, poor quality of manufacture and assembly, while the ageing 1991 Sony lithium ion technology has a poor energy density that cripples the ability of EV’s to be top handling motor vehicles.

My next purchase will be EV, but I’m willing to wait 5-10 years for battery technology to develop with much higher energy densities, faster charging, and less battery degradation to more genuinely save the environment.

LeX2K

What do you drive?

F1Driver

You clearly missed the point as usual. The Plaid has over 1,000 hp which is nearly twice what those ICE cars that I mentioned have and yet the Plaid is slower than all of them. Like I said, anyone can make a car go fast in a straight line but it takes real engineering to make a car handle a corner. So no, those ICE cars that lapped the Nurburgring faster than the Plaid are not one trick ponies. I could on about how those ICE cars that I mentioned could travel more distance on one tank of fuel than the Plaid, take less time to refuel and travel comfortably in style but that would be adding insult to injury.

BTW, Porsche just broke ground on a factory in Chile readying to produce synthetic fuel. ICE cars aren't going anywhere.

F1Driver

I believe you're confusing straight line performance with handling. The Plaid has 1,020 hp versus the Project 8's 592 hp. With that horsepower advantage the Plaid should have lapped faster than all those ICE cars that I mentioned if it could handle the corners but it didn't. I don't believe that is something to brag about.

EZZ

No, you are completely missing the point. It was never tuned for track. It's soft and floaty and comfortable with the air suspension. It was always a Gt type car but happens to run a fast Ring time. Making a daily, maintenance free. 1000jp monster is far harder than making a car go fast around a track. There are plenty of cars that go fast around the ring. Many many many examples. There are 4 or 5 1000+ hp production cars that can be daily drive? Synthetic fuel. Bahahaha

bitkahuna

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F1Driver / EZZ, i think you've both comprehensively made your points for all to read, so perhaps give it a rest.

SW17LS

Am I the only one that doesn't care at all about nuerburgring times when I select a car? Recall the old Top Gear bit where they they said the nuerburgring ruins cars lol

Hameed

Same here, it's not relevant at all in any car buying decision.

Stroock639

that's why i much prefer it that my cars are tuned for the autobahn not the nurburgring lol

SW17LS

Yup! Agreed

Toys4RJill

99% of the car buying people don't care. But building a brand, Tesla is doing themselves good by doing this

SW17LS

I think Tesla has done great, I was just commenting how absurd people who tout a few cars that have better times as proof that Tesla has failed are.

Toys4RJill

They have done great no doubt. But they are not #1 on that track…there are like 60 cars with faster lap time. Long way to go. The trouble with a Tesla chatting is that it always turns into a giant controversy. Tesla plaid is like 1000 hp, cars with lesser power are still ahead.

EZZ

There is no controversy. The Plaid simply doesn't handle as well as those cars. Tesla has never built something that handles as well as a Porsche and may never.

Tesla has always been great at the straight line stuff and that's why people buy them.