Tesla Model S Plaid
#1426
Lexus Fanatic
Yet Tesla makes some of the safest cars on the road both in terms of likelihood of accidents and survivability. This is a good example of being convinced things are a certain way vs. how they really are.
Now if you want to talk about buttons and safety have you seen the steering wheel of most cars?
Now if you want to talk about buttons and safety have you seen the steering wheel of most cars?
I'm all for change that makes things better, but I see way too much change for the sake of change in Tesla's designs. Turn signal stalks just work, round steering wheels work, horns in the center of the wheel work. Whats the benefit of changing these things to how they work on this Tesla? I see none, but I see plenty of drawbacks.
#1427
Lexus Fanatic
Function follows form all over the place with Tesla.
#1428
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
IMHO these design changes around steering and flasher controls, etc are safety concerns.
so i wonder when they're taking out the pedals?
#1429
Don't confuse people putting up with things to wanting things the way they are designed. It obviously doesn't hurt Tesla, but that doesn't mean that these design choices are good, and they are beginning to get Tesla in some legal trouble for safety.
IMHO these design changes around steering and flasher controls, etc are safety concerns.
IMHO these design changes around steering and flasher controls, etc are safety concerns.
New age quirky stuff is part of their DNA... others tried to emulate it - like ID3/4/5 but they seemed to have gotten it completely wrong IMHO.
#1430
Lexus Fanatic
along the same lines, apple didn't have cut and paste (!) in the iPhone for years... doesn't mean people were happy about it, but they put up with it because either, they weren't too savvy about such features, or they just overlooked it because they appreciated many other attributes. and don't get me started on the horrendous iTunes software, lol.
likely not for people who frequently drive the cars, but my concern is someone unfamiliar with one getting in it to drive. nothing will be instinctive and given what a missile this car is, i wouldn't be surprised to see a bad accident. and yes, before someone comes in again with a helicopter descent like defense, i know tesla's safety record is good. i attribute that more to the lower average buyer age and likely keen attention from above average IQ drivers.
so i wonder when they're taking out the pedals?
i think you should not confuse your own personal preferences with everyone elses personal preferences. Since Tesla drivers seem to be happiest with their purchase, i very much doubt this is all despite all the objections you have in their cars. That goes for me as well, of course..
And here's a question for you...and be real...would you prefer a wheel to a yoke, a turn signal stalk to buttons on the wheel, and a horn in the center of the wheel vs a button on the wheel? Be honest.
Carmakers haven't been designing cars with controls this way forever out of random. I would guess when asked well over 90% of people would prefer these things be normal if they were being honest.
#1431
Lexus Champion
I have a an lot of respect for Tesla, they are innovative, currently have the best drivetrains, battery design etc but I'm sure if you drill down and get honest answers from Tesla owners you will find that they live with the design decisions, not necessarily love them. Same with Apple users, they live with Apples limited ecosystem because mainly Apple customers are not tech savvy. I say this as someone who has worked in IT for over 30 years.
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
#1432
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I have a an lot of respect for Tesla, they are innovative, currently have the best drivetrains, battery design etc but I'm sure if you drill down and get honest answers from Tesla owners you will find that they live with the design decisions, not necessarily love them. Same with Apple users, they live with Apples limited ecosystem because mainly Apple customers are not tech savvy. I say this as someone who has worked in IT for over 30 years.
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
#1433
Lexus Champion
If you can actually change the steering wheel without compromising the car or safety, then it's not an issue. That would be something I would do day 1
#1434
Lead Lap
Like I said, there is no doubt in my mind a regular steering wheel is 100% better but the yoke itself isn't too bad, it's the implementation of it with some of the buttons.
patgilm, thanks so much for the excellent and quick write-up!
it just seems to me that they could have offered a regular wheel, even at $1000 option or something, and they'd have made money and not exactly a hard swap out. i guess one problem though is they couldn't re-use their regular round wheel as that still relies on turn signal stalk for example so it would be a new design anyway.
it just seems to me that they could have offered a regular wheel, even at $1000 option or something, and they'd have made money and not exactly a hard swap out. i guess one problem though is they couldn't re-use their regular round wheel as that still relies on turn signal stalk for example so it would be a new design anyway.
Don't confuse people putting up with things to wanting things the way they are designed. It obviously doesn't hurt Tesla, but that doesn't mean that these design choices are good, and they are beginning to get Tesla in some legal trouble for safety.
IMHO these design changes around steering and flasher controls, etc are safety concerns.
IMHO these design changes around steering and flasher controls, etc are safety concerns.
I have a an lot of respect for Tesla, they are innovative, currently have the best drivetrains, battery design etc but I'm sure if you drill down and get honest answers from Tesla owners you will find that they live with the design decisions, not necessarily love them. Same with Apple users, they live with Apples limited ecosystem because mainly Apple customers are not tech savvy. I say this as someone who has worked in IT for over 30 years.
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
Anyway, a yoke steering wheel would be a reason I would not buy a Plaid. If I want a yoke, I'll get a plane
#1435
Lexus Fanatic
I wonder if you drove one if you would feel that strongly about it. My wife didn't want me to buy the car solely because of the yoke and a friend of mine came over and we were talking about the car and the yoke and she actually said she loves it and explained how she places her hands when driving (to which I was thinking, is that even safe?). What she really doesn't like is the turn signals and horn placement.
Like I said, there is no doubt in my mind a regular steering wheel is 100% better but the yoke itself isn't too bad, it's the implementation of it with some of the buttons.
#1436
I think the yoke is lame, but I will likely never drive one or even be in one. But what do I know?
The Apple Tesla comparision is spot on; pretty much everyone who drives a Tesla for the first time calls the experience, "an iPhone on wheels".
But any mfg issues would kill Jobs; he was a stickler right down to the box his products came in.
Both Jobs and Musk strive to produce innovation. And have been rewarded for it.
And I do own stock. And the car... All good.
The Apple Tesla comparision is spot on; pretty much everyone who drives a Tesla for the first time calls the experience, "an iPhone on wheels".
But any mfg issues would kill Jobs; he was a stickler right down to the box his products came in.
Both Jobs and Musk strive to produce innovation. And have been rewarded for it.
And I do own stock. And the car... All good.
#1437
Lexus Fanatic
Neither is allowing cars with 150MPH into the neighborhood. I am more interested in how such tech might evolve such as steer by wire where Toyota has said that their yoke will only need 1/2 a turn to make what was a full turn of the wheel on a older car. Tesla will have such tech as well
#1438
Lexus Fanatic
#1439
Lexus Fanatic
Neither is allowing cars with 150MPH into the neighborhood. I am more interested in how such tech might evolve such as steer by wire where Toyota has said that their yoke will only need 1/2 a turn to make what was a full turn of the wheel on a older car. Tesla will have such tech as well
#1440
Lexus Fanatic
we have the tech now that would make fast cars safer. There is no reason to speed, so there is no doubt that a car that is driving in a 40mph zone should be locked out by gps in those zones, then when the car hits the highway, the speed should unlock to go 55mph. Haven’t driven the yoke Tesla, only the 3….I can’t wait to try it out. (But I’m more interested in the Toyota yoke version) obviously
And TBH, I am rather surprised Tesla hasn’t come out with automatic lane changing for the signal indicators. Perhaps it’s on the way.
And TBH, I am rather surprised Tesla hasn’t come out with automatic lane changing for the signal indicators. Perhaps it’s on the way.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 01-15-22 at 04:32 PM.