sg021

Tesla is never going to have leather, they went out of their way to remove the bits of it that were in some components like steering wheel I believe. If you want to look at it cynically, it's much easier to embrace elimination of animal products as part of your brand than it is to try to match the strengths of other brands on features you don't value. I don't value leather vs. current level of quality in synthetics so I agree with Tesla's stance no matter the motivation.
Awful is in the eye of the beholder I guess. If I could copy our Model 3 interior into the GL I'd do it in a second.
It's much better than just a backup camera, especially when you're pulling up to a curb or backing in. This was another little feature they added with an OTA update. It still Isn't as good as an actual 360° top down view, though. I can park the GL more easily in 99% of cases if I'm doing it without the assist functions.

LeX2K

Leather sucks anyway it dries, cracks, can't take spills well. And it is horribly unsustainable the amount of water alone required to produce 1 car interior is ridiculous. First attempts at pleather were not exactly desirable but now I actually prefer synthetic.

Toys4RJill

Real leather doesn’t suck at all. You just have to care for it.

LexBob2

I agree. Even with minimal care leather will last a long time.

EZZ

I thought NuLuxe was better than the standard Lexus leather. Didn't even have creases when I sold it at 60k miles.

bitkahuna

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Thanks. i should have taken a picture but i'll try to clarify. First, the charging stations were nowhere close to actual shops except a whole foods and it was 90 degrees, humid, and raining off and on. There was also a restaurant a walk away so i guess they could have been eating.

it's just a different mindset. I'm obviously not in the mindset to coordinate 'topping off' charging while shopping or eating.

good for you, but obviously that doesn't scale. Not every buyer will have enough referrals to have 'free' supercharging.

It's 0 cost for YOU because you spent tens of thousands on a solar installation, so hardly a full disclosure.

If i get solar, get a tesla, i'm sure i'd feel similarly to you.

Toys4RJill

What’s tens of thousands mean? Like 20-30 grand?

Toys4RJill

There is also different quality of leathers as well.

patgilm

For me solar is still too expensive, I got another quote just for informational purposes and so I could tell all the pesky telemarketers that I already have a quote. For me after subsidies it was still around $40k and I don’t live in a huge house. The payback period based on savings is too long for me.

EZZ

Probably around $30k but its 30% off so about $20k. My electric bill was $300 a month. So 5 year payback isn't bad. Solar in So Cal is cheaper because we don't need as many panels due to year round sun so ROI is high on solar here.

Toys4RJill

Seams like a hassle. They also don’t last forever either. I have no interest in solar panels.

Hameed

Come on Paul.... You like to mention this quite a bit when you also know that overall time spent at a supercharger (when you're on a trip) is much less than you would spend refuelling your car in a year. That's the point EZZ is making below, but you zeroed in on the cost part which is not relevant to most owners anyway. 😀

And yes you're absolutely right , spending time at a supercharger while on a trip is definitely not for everyone. It's a mindset as you pointed out.

rogerh00

It all depends on the trip. My trip from Florida to NY requires 9 hrs of charging time. According to a better routeplanner. There is no way I could possibly endure that. In this case, from what I've read most would take an ICE car on a trip and have an EV as a second or third car for fun and giggles.

Hameed

With a 250 mile range EV, it's 5 hours. No idea what range BEV you're referring to. And in those 5 hours, unless you're a robot that does not need to use the washroom, coffee and eat (forget about even stretching your legs) that 5 hours drops to half.

Once you've made up your mind it's not going to work for you, it doesn't really matter what anyone says to reason with you, it still won't make a lot sense for a lot of people, and that's perfectly fine too.

INHOCJP

Too bad they didn’t test the current build Model Y. You can tell it’s an older version because it doesn’t have the updated center console.

I recently took delivery of a Model Y performance. Absolutely love it. Ended up giving my 2019 450H F-Sport to my sister.

Looking forward to seeing what EVs Lexus will eventually bring to market.

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