EZZ

Of course not. You can even put gasoline on coal to light a fire because gasoline isn't toxic. Lol. I recall it takes about a couple oz to start a fire so it must be super efficient too.

Gotta love the ridiculousness of the arguments presented.

Och

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Petrol, coal, NG - doesn't really matter, energy efficiency in the end is a wash if I'm being generous - many power plants run at lesser efficiency than a modern ICE, add transmission losses and the drivetrain losses and suddenly the EV is less efficient than ICE. Non fossil power plants such as hydro and nuclear present their own environmental impacts that can arguably be even worse.

And there are many cases of parked Teslas spontaneously exploding, the structure of their battery packs seems very unstable.

LeX2K

50x worse than a gas car. Right?

Och

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Gas cars don't generally self combust unless there is a manufacturing defect, and when it happens it is quickly investigated and manufacturers do a recall and remedy the issue.

EZZ

You're so far off base it's not funny. The best modern ICEs run at 25% efficiency. The worst coal plants run at 30%. The best ones run at 45%. That's coal which is a dying source. Natural gas is even higher efficiencies. It's not a wash. ICE is the most inefficient source of power currently used. At least be honest about it.

This is easily verifiable with a Google search.

LeX2K

That's great, but a Tesla goes up in flames 50x more often than a petrol car. Correct? You must know the stat since you keep making claims about how unstable a Tesla battery is.

Och

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It is absolutely a wash, even if a very efficient power plant is running at 50% efficiency, another 10% is lost in transmission, another 10% is lost in the EV, you're already at 30% and that's the best case scenario, and in cold weather more like 20%. So you can shill all you want, but math is pretty stubborn.

Och

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I don't have the stats, but there aren't many new petrol cars that self ignite. Most petrol car fires occur either in major crashes or in older, poorly maintained cars with leaking fuel delivery systems. Whenever there is a case of new petrol cars having a defect that causes them to ignite, the manufacturer quickly recalls them and fixes the problem. Why isn't Tesla recalling their defective battery packs with so many cases of parked cars exploding and relatively minor crashes causing fires. Just do a google image search for Tesla car fire vs Toyota car fire for instance.

And funny how you're always express concern for the environment, except when it comes to the issue if lithium mining and Tesla fires.

bitkahuna

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Same arguments, different day. Closed.