It is easy to see why - I feel M3P is the best car for the money I ever had, even though I had some warranty work done (and so have many of 2021 owners I know personally). Satisfaction is not always completely related to reliability.

 

Yeah..but my toaster is so faaaaast I love it and the Model 3 chassis is pretty damn good. Also, after you get used to 1 pedal driving, its hard to go back

 

Where is on the list of satisfying cars the Porsche 911, the Corvette, the BMW M3? Satisfying is misleading. They meant to say “cars owners would buy again” but that’s different. And then I see the Prius on the list. I have a Prius for 15 years which is reliable, low cost but in no way I would call it satisfying when I drive it.

 

The cars are still not for me but I'm very glad to hear they are doing well. I hope it continues and bleeds over to other EV companies I have a lot of stock in lol!

I'll personally keep driving ICE V8s/V10s for as long as I can

 

Tesla also dominated being one of the least reliable brands according to Consumer Reports. Ranking 27th out of 28 manufacturers. But I'm sure Tesla fans will disagree, make excuses why this is incorrect although it's the same publication that reports Tesla is the most satisfying cars which they agree with. Some Tesla fans seems to only agree when it's good news but once it's bad news it's fud.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...y-study/%3famp

 

No doubt the Model Y is driving that reliability rating down. The best one is the Model 3 and it's only considered average. The Model 3 was considered below average in its first year too so hopefully, Model Y follows the trend and gets better. The newer Model Ys have considerably less quality issues so we can only hope it gets better.

You will get issues with any Tesla and it will take a couple trips to the service center or mobile service will come out to iron out the bugs. It's still more convenient than a maintenance schedule though and owners still don't mind as evidenced by the survey. Given all that, the reliability is related quite a bit to stupid body and quality issues. The power train is quite reliable which is the scariest cost item so many owners probably can forgive the smaller issues.

The new Model S has quite a few issues too. General rule of thumb is never get a first year Tesla if you can't stand quality issues.

 

Majority of the weight at the BEST location of the car (between axles, close to ground) helps a lot too. speaking of 1 pedal driving, now i am used to it, every time i get into my wife's GLE, the first few stop signs i always have to late brake because i forgot there is no regen... passengers are not happy...

Very very well said.

 

Satisfaction means different things to different people. Ask my wife about her Prius and she'll light up. Yet she hates to drive. Satisfied Prius owners like her love their car as a sheepdog-dependable appliance for the joyless chore of driving. She'll never post on this board, yet she exists.

 

Before you rush to buy your new trendy electric vehicle realize that its useful life drops significantly. This means that while a conventional Lexus ES would have a 20-25 year useful life, unfortunately an electric car would be salvaged after 12-13 years when the traction battery goes bad just because the battery replacement cost would be half or more of the used car value at that time. Note that battery would have to be new as a used old or rebuild battery will not last long anyway as we learned from the Prius and the hybrid Lexus models. The hybrid cars have a small inexpensive battery ($2k-$4k) but the electric cars have very expensive batteries.

For example, a traction battery replacement for a Ford Mustang Mach-E costs $38,111. That is not a typo. I repeat 38k!!!
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thre...ent-cost.8096/

 

But it does not work like that. Nobody goes to BMW dealer after 10yrs and buys new transmission, they go to tranmission specialist and rebuild it for fraction of the price.

It is same with EVs, you replace cells not complete battery.

There are certainly issues with range loss after few years, but with more and more chargers, that will be less of concern, plus you can find it out easily when purchasing vehicle.

 

People have gotten quotes for Model 3 and Model S for battery outside warranty and Tesla charges $17k for a 77kwh battery. The reason Ford charges so much is because their economies of scale on battery is weak so they can't get favorable pricing. I guess if you want to keep your car for 25 years, EV may not be the right choice for you. Of course most luxury / premium car buyers only keep their car for 3 years (lease) or maybe 5-7 years if they buy so its not a key purchase criteria for new buyers.

 

There was big drama a while ago out in British Columbia about the Nissan Leaf. $13K for a battery replacement. Couldn’t find the batteries. I don’t know the exact details or something but there was something. All over CBC News which is a more legit than a blog site. Most buyers likely won’t keep their cars past 6-7 years

 

nobody is going to pay $17k for battery, just same as $38k for battery, except for insurance.

 

If ones gas tank cracks, rusts or leaks…and you go to the manufacturer…you replace it. With a new one, or aftermarket replacement. The battery would be equivalent to the gas tank. An electric motor/propulsion system would be the equivalent to a BMW transmission or motor.

The vast majority of consumers are not gonna want to charge more and more as their cars gets older. Creates just a terrible experience. Will be interesting to see how Toyota’s claim of 10% loss after 10-years pans out.

Below is the Nissan Leaf…can’t imagine how low the range is gonna be in year 14..

 

What's funny about this thread is tesla's rank highly on this customer satisfaction yet 2nd worst on CR reliability.