Tesla Cybertruck
#136
Lexus Champion
GM's fine print is 2035 "Unless the market demands otherwise.." I'd say the chances of that are high.
#137
Lexus Fanatic
But, 13 years is a long time...13 years ago there was no Tesla...no superchargers...imagine what the infrastructure will be like 13 years from now.
Last edited by SW17LS; 02-03-23 at 01:25 PM.
#138
Lexus Champion
Minis are everywhere. All of GM is mainstream except Caddy. It's not me not making sense, it's GM. Their virtue signal is sorta falling apart. V8s will be powering GM trucks for the vasssst foreseeable future.
#139
Pole Position
Said it before and I'll say it again, requirements imposed by a state governer/administration that don't take effect until well after that governor and state administration will be out of office are directional, aspirational and basically noise. Chances are the market (particularly here in California) will be driving to majority EV adoption by then anyway, but we're only a change of administration and/or a ballot measure away from everything changing in any direction. You sometimes have to tune out the noise.
#140
Lexus Fanatic
13 years is a long time. You say the infrastructure can't be there in 13 years, but if you look at what we have now vs what we had 13 years ago, I absolutely believe the infrastructure can be there in 13 years. In 13 years we went from an EV having 70 miles of range to mid 300s being normal and 500 being possible, we went from no ability to charge one anywhere to chargers all over the place and being able to charge from 10-80% in 20-30 minutes. Progress is moving so quickly here, and that speed of progress will just continue.
Look at this charging map and understand that 13 years ago there were NO chargers:
Also remember that the iPhone is only 16 years old.
#141
Lexus Champion
All you have to do is look up Minis sales figures to see they are a niche carmaker. Mini could go EV no problem.
13 years is a long time. You say the infrastructure can't be there in 13 years, but if you look at what we have now vs what we had 13 years ago, I absolutely believe the infrastructure can be there in 13 years. In 13 years we went from an EV having 70 miles of range to mid 300s being normal and 500 being possible, we went from no ability to charge one anywhere to chargers all over the place and being able to charge from 10-80% in 20-30 minutes. Progress is moving so quickly here, and that speed of progress will just continue.
Look at this charging map and understand that 13 years ago there were NO chargers:
Also remember that the iPhone is only 16 years old.
13 years is a long time. You say the infrastructure can't be there in 13 years, but if you look at what we have now vs what we had 13 years ago, I absolutely believe the infrastructure can be there in 13 years. In 13 years we went from an EV having 70 miles of range to mid 300s being normal and 500 being possible, we went from no ability to charge one anywhere to chargers all over the place and being able to charge from 10-80% in 20-30 minutes. Progress is moving so quickly here, and that speed of progress will just continue.
Look at this charging map and understand that 13 years ago there were NO chargers:
Also remember that the iPhone is only 16 years old.
#142
Lexus Fanatic
#143
Lexus Champion
#144
Lexus Fanatic
I noticed lol
And the speed of implementation and rollout is accelerating, and the more EVs on the road the more demand there is, the more profitable chargers will be, and more will be built. You'll have competitors and quality will improve because Electrify America will compete with ChargePoint who will compete with traditional fuel stations...do you really not believe that map will be dramatically fuller in 13 more years @AJT123 ?
And the speed of implementation and rollout is accelerating, and the more EVs on the road the more demand there is, the more profitable chargers will be, and more will be built. You'll have competitors and quality will improve because Electrify America will compete with ChargePoint who will compete with traditional fuel stations...do you really not believe that map will be dramatically fuller in 13 more years @AJT123 ?
#145
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
disclaimer: just to be clear, that's not a criticism of ev's and i'm not saying ev's won't be the majority in a few years.
#146
Lexus Fanatic
This is just Tesla's network...
The growth curve of their rollout, note "0" is less than 13 years ago:
Aside from the growth of other charging companies, Mercedes is planning on building 2,700 charging stations...thats more than Tesla has...
The growth curve of their rollout, note "0" is less than 13 years ago:
Aside from the growth of other charging companies, Mercedes is planning on building 2,700 charging stations...thats more than Tesla has...
#147
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
back to cybertruck... i really hope tesla does in fact bring something that isn't just 'different' and selling on novelty, but is genuinely better in some ways than the big 3 truck dynasty we've had forever.
i hope the length of time it's taking to get on the market is due to innovation and not just manufacturing bottlenecks with soaring demand for 3/Y.
i hope the length of time it's taking to get on the market is due to innovation and not just manufacturing bottlenecks with soaring demand for 3/Y.
#148
Lexus Fanatic
About 20% of the new cars sold in CA are EVs. Not a majority, but a surprisingly high number.
#149
Lexus Fanatic
From PWC about charger growth:
https://www.pwc.com/us/en/industries...et-growth.html
The drill down...we have about 4 Million charge points in the US today. The forecast is we will have 30 Million by 2030.
As for the Cybertruck, innovation, I don't know...
https://www.pwc.com/us/en/industries...et-growth.html
The drill down...we have about 4 Million charge points in the US today. The forecast is we will have 30 Million by 2030.
As for the Cybertruck, innovation, I don't know...
#150
Lexus Champion
I totally get that, I'm not saying they are the majority of sales, 18 percent is nowhere near a majority, so let me clear that up. Tesla's YoY growth is 40 percent, this year the Model Y outsold (in California) both Camry and Accord. That's extremely significant and I'm sure it's worrying automakers. EV's still have a long way to go to get relevant share, but at the demand level and current trend, it's projected that they will be 30 percent of the market by 2030
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