Tesla Cybertruck
#1171
What's funny is you are willing to do the work that's pointless - 4kwh in 1hr, but you feel like doing 100 kwh in 1hr is so terrible, you would never be able to do it.
I have had an ev for 2.5yrs now, and i consider phevs worst of both worlds.
I would never spend effort needed to charge 4kwh in 1hr. To me that's completely pointless.
I have had an ev for 2.5yrs now, and i consider phevs worst of both worlds.
I would never spend effort needed to charge 4kwh in 1hr. To me that's completely pointless.
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I rented a Model 3 performance. I had it Thurs-Sat. I had to charge it 3x. I ordered a PHEV soon as I returned from vacation. Took delivery 1 month and 1 wk later. I consider best of both worlds😉 Completely worth it.
#1172
Usually. Not always. I don't always need to experience something to figure out whether or not it works for me. Most of this isn't rocket science if you are willing to do the research. There is just a lot more of that research to do when considering an EV.
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BayeauxLex (01-23-24)
#1173
It's a mistake to think that EV customers buy what they buy because they want to save money or that they pay much attention to gas prices either. Any operating cost savings are just an added bonus and don't really factor in. The main reasons I and everyone else I know who has an EV are because they are faster, quieter, more refined, have unique features and because they generally improve over time with OTA upgrades.
Yes and no for me. We bought a Model 3 as a commuter car, which as everyone's mentioned is the no brainer use case. Now it is the everything car, which I never would have guessed since we have three kids and our other car is a three row SUV. Now the SUV is the commuter car, except for the annual beach trip because beach gear.
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AMIRZA786 (01-23-24)
#1174
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it seems that people who've never lived with an EV have lots of opinions to share with me...which is fine
a camry has 18.5 gallon tank. mileage is 27/38 city/highway, so let's say 32 average. so 'range' is 18.5*32 is 592 miles. a hybrid one does even better. however, most people only feel comfortable re-fueling when the car has a 1/4 tank left, so that makes effective range (.75 of that or) 444 miles. most ev's between charges are at most 200 miles, so the camry gets TWICE or more the range between 'refueling'. that's not insignificant, but as you know, what it represents in the end is a mild inconvenience on trips, not even relevant for day to day use with at home charging.
Avg. Cost of gas
Availability of public chargers
Cost to insure
Resale
Reliability
Service center (closest Tesla service center to me is 101 miles away 2hrs)
Cold weather effects
In addition like you mention how it fits your lifestyle. It may be safe to say a lot buyers don’t look further than cost of the vehicle, $7500 tax credit, charging at home before they go EV.
Availability of public chargers
Cost to insure
Resale
Reliability
Service center (closest Tesla service center to me is 101 miles away 2hrs)
Cold weather effects
In addition like you mention how it fits your lifestyle. It may be safe to say a lot buyers don’t look further than cost of the vehicle, $7500 tax credit, charging at home before they go EV.
bottom line is lots of variables, no one size fits all. comments on your factors though
Avg. Cost of gas - what about Avg. Cost of electricity too? like gas, electricity costs vary widely, including free with solar. where i live electricity happens to be cheap, so my 'refueling' cost of my ev is 1/3 the cost of gas.
Availability of public chargers - not relevant as a daily driver. i've never used a public charger.
Cost to insure - my insurance went DOWN when i switched from gas to ev. don't assume it always goes up.
Resale - i leased - no care.
Reliability - depends on definition - fit and finish is not 'reliability'. all cars are extremely reliable and electric cars are incredibly reliable.
Service center (closest Tesla service center to me is 101 miles away 2hrs) - don't base everything on tesla. my hyundai dealer is nearby, not that i expect to go there more than once a year!
Cold weather effects - move to florida, lol
my car is rated to charge 10%-80% in 18 minutes at a dc charger. sounds good to me.
I spent exactly 1hr charging at a public charger couple days ago and my kids were getting antsy.
I wanted to experience it with and make my kids suffer in the car.
My experiment could compare if I had a Tesla truck looking at Jerry charge his Tesla truck
My friend bought his MYLR to save money. At least that’s what he told me. When he switched his insurance over he told me “so much for the gas savings when you factory in the cost of insurance.” Then the following months his electricity bill obviously increased by a lot. One feature he misses at times, Apple CarPlay. And according to him his MYLR isn’t as good in inclement weather as his previous AWD SUV. With that being said, he loves his MYLR
moving the goalposts from cost and charging to trim fit and finish on a tesla. mmkay. if you look at a recent 3 or y you'll see the fit and finish is really good.
I rented a Model 3 performance. I had it Thurs-Sat. I had to charge it 3x. I ordered a PHEV soon as I returned from vacation. Took delivery 1 month and 1 wk later. I consider best of both worlds😉 Completely worth it.
your rav4 prime is a great compromise. great range, decent power, pretty useful... good job toyota, and go you!
personally, i hate the sound of the 4 cylinder under load (cvt?) when it kicks in. i don't like the space compromises of a hybrid vehicle although toyota did a great job with the rav4. the rav4 is very similar in size to the ioniq 5 yet the rav4 wheelbase is 12" less.
#1175
not really sure your point except part of your ongoing virtue-signaling about how your phev is the savior of the world. Not my words. It just fits me. I try to make an EV make sense in how I would use it.
bottom line is lots of variables, no one size fits all. comments on your factors though
Avg. Cost of gas - what about Avg. Cost of electricity too? like gas, electricity costs vary widely, including free with solar. where i live electricity happens to be cheap, so my 'refueling' cost of my ev is 1/3 the cost of gas. Same. If I lived in Cali…EV all the way!! Maybe have a LC on the side 😉
Availability of public chargers - not relevant as a daily driver. i've never used a public charger. Aren’t you planning your 1st road trip.
Cost to insure - my insurance went DOWN when i switched from gas to ev. don't assume it always goes up. Good deal. That’s a 1st I’ve heard personally.
Resale - i leased - no care.
Reliability - depends on definition - fit and finish is not 'reliability'. all cars are extremely reliable and electric cars are incredibly reliable.
Service center (closest Tesla service center to me is 101 miles away 2hrs) - don't base everything on tesla. my hyundai dealer is nearby, not that i expect to go there more than once a year! We have a local Hyundai dealer but I’m not sure if the local 8 Tesla super chargers are compatible with non Tesla vehicles so would be limited to at home level 2 charging or dare I say it, public level 2 charging.
Cold weather effects - move to florida, lol
setup that strawman you already know the answer to. Actually I don’t. I was telling my friend I forgot which EV can hold their charging speed throughout the charge. I saw it mention somewhere on here.
my car is rated to charge 10%-80% in 18 minutes at a dc charger. sounds good to me. One of the fastest right
why on earth would you EVER charge your phev using level 2 public charging? Not my 1st time nor not my last. I level 1 charge at work.
fixed lol
there's nothing remotely similar in the 2 scenarios.
your last point is all that matters in the end. most people don't buy an electric car to save money. i did factor it in with mine as my 'fueling' costs went from about $120 a month to $30. I’m in similar boat hence why I will use free level 2 public charger
moving the goalposts from cost and charging to trim fit and finish on a tesla. mmkay. if you look at a recent 3 or y you'll see the fit and finish is really good. It was a 2022 model I rented.
in 3 days you HAD to charge is 3x? guess you drive a lot. and since you rented it i guess you didn't have level 2 home charging in place. so not exactly realistic. I was on vacation. Supercharging was only option.
your rav4 prime is a great compromise. great range, decent power, pretty useful... good job toyota, and go you!
personally, i hate the sound of the 4 cylinder under load (cvt?) when it kicks in. i don't like the space compromises of a hybrid vehicle although toyota did a great job with the rav4. the rav4 is very similar in size to the ioniq 5 yet the rav4 wheelbase is 12" less. Not the most pleasant sound and not as sweet sounding as a Yamaha 5.0 V8
#1176
My Model S is nicer.
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AMIRZA786 (01-23-24)
#1177
Lexus Champion
Same with my model Y. It's almost a year old, has 10,506 miles on it, hasn't had any issues, no panel gaps, looks new inside and outside, and is the best car car I've ever owned
#1179
I said next time I will rent a Y or S. All of our luggage didn’t fit in the 3. Wife wasn’t too happy about that.
#1180
Unless that’s my friend’s Y. His has a few rattles they haven’t been able to fix and he had a couple panel gaps. 1 has been fixed. The other between the door and dash still exist. 2023 model.
#1181
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ha, i got an ev because it fit my needs, eliminated having to fill with gas (much less of a time factor on your phev of course)
no. at some point i'll venture to orlando (180mi. round trip) and charge there to test, or just take my chances and go the 265mi each way to my only trip location (and charge on the way in one of several locations).
there isn't any non-tesla dc (level 3) charging there?
not unreasonable if available.
how do you get free level 2?
as you know, rentals take a beating so that's probably a factor. the tesla 3 i rented last september had a common (but unacceptable) defect with the piece coming from the trunk into the body, but apart from that it drove just fine.
ha... i'm actually on the fence as to whether i prefer the great sound of the lc500 v8 (definitely exciting) or the ninja-silence of the ioniq 5.
Aren’t you planning your 1st road trip.
We have a local Hyundai dealer but I’m not sure if the local 8 Tesla super chargers are compatible with non Tesla vehicles so would be limited to at home level 2 charging or dare I say it, public level 2 charging.
I level 1 charge at work.
I’m in similar boat hence why I will use free level 2 public charger
It was a 2022 model I rented.
Not the most pleasant sound and not as sweet sounding as a Yamaha 5.0 V8
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AMIRZA786 (01-23-24)
#1183
Lexus Champion
Someone on this forum had or has a misaligned charging port door and if I’m not mistaken Tesla won’t service it unless it starts to rub.
Unless that’s my friend’s Y. His has a few rattles they haven’t been able to fix and he had a couple panel gaps. 1 has been fixed. The other between the door and dash still exist. 2023 model.
Unless that’s my friend’s Y. His has a few rattles they haven’t been able to fix and he had a couple panel gaps. 1 has been fixed. The other between the door and dash still exist. 2023 model.
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BayeauxLex (01-23-24)
#1184
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BayeauxLex (01-23-24)
#1185
ha, i got an ev because it fit my needs, eliminated having to fill with gas (much less of a time factor on your phev of course) After 4 months I plan on putting some gas in my PHEV. It’s been EV mode since beginning of September, it’s last road trip.
no. at some point i'll venture to orlando (180mi. round trip) and charge there to test, or just take my chances and go the 265mi each way to my only trip location (and charge on the way in one of several locations).
there isn't any non-tesla dc (level 3) charging there? No. EVs aren’t common here. I can go days without seeing one. I saw a Toyota BZ4X today…at the Toyota dealership.
not unreasonable if available. I get to park up front so I can charge.
how do you get free level 2? A couple dealerships (Nissan) have a level 2 charger that’s apparently open to the public. I found it on google maps. One of the chargers is inoperable I’m assuming due to the recent cold weather. On Sundays, it’s not accessible as the dealerships are closed.
as you know, rentals take a beating so that's probably a factor. the tesla 3 i rented last september had a common (but unacceptable) defect with the piece coming from the trunk into the body, but apart from that it drove just fine. They were Turo rentals.
ha... i'm actually on the fence as to whether i prefer the great sound of the lc500 v8 (definitely exciting) or the ninja-silence of the ioniq 5. I take the LC has taken a backseat lately.
no. at some point i'll venture to orlando (180mi. round trip) and charge there to test, or just take my chances and go the 265mi each way to my only trip location (and charge on the way in one of several locations).
there isn't any non-tesla dc (level 3) charging there? No. EVs aren’t common here. I can go days without seeing one. I saw a Toyota BZ4X today…at the Toyota dealership.
not unreasonable if available. I get to park up front so I can charge.
how do you get free level 2? A couple dealerships (Nissan) have a level 2 charger that’s apparently open to the public. I found it on google maps. One of the chargers is inoperable I’m assuming due to the recent cold weather. On Sundays, it’s not accessible as the dealerships are closed.
as you know, rentals take a beating so that's probably a factor. the tesla 3 i rented last september had a common (but unacceptable) defect with the piece coming from the trunk into the body, but apart from that it drove just fine. They were Turo rentals.
ha... i'm actually on the fence as to whether i prefer the great sound of the lc500 v8 (definitely exciting) or the ninja-silence of the ioniq 5. I take the LC has taken a backseat lately.