BayeauxLex

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I rented a Model 3 performance. I had it Thurs-Sat. I had to charge it 3x. I ordered a PHEV soon as I returned from vacation. Took delivery 1 month and 1 wk later. I consider best of both worlds😉 Completely worth it.

Bob04

Usually. Not always. I don't always need to experience something to figure out whether or not it works for me. Most of this isn't rocket science if you are willing to do the research. There is just a lot more of that research to do when considering an EV.

sg021

Not having to get gas at night in winter after work was a big factor. Wife was still ready to get a Mercedes, but left the test drive thinking cars had stagnated in the eight years since last buying and she would just be spending a bunch of money to get a bigger back seat for the kids. The fact that Tesla was actually innovating appealed to her.

That model 3 was not very well taken care of, not a surprise for a rental I guess. The 12v needs to be replaced, I guess people will keep driving it till it won't start. At least it gave a warning, mine died catastrophically with no warning, which is a classic Tesla move. We have a solution for everything except it may not work at all.

Yes and no for me. We bought a Model 3 as a commuter car, which as everyone's mentioned is the no brainer use case. Now it is the everything car, which I never would have guessed since we have three kids and our other car is a three row SUV. Now the SUV is the commuter car, except for the annual beach trip because beach gear.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

definitely my experience too. first question EVERYONE asks me about my ev is "what's the range?" even though many of those people rarely drive more than 10 miles in a 'trip' lol.

lol - part of the problem is people being math challenged.

a camry has 18.5 gallon tank. mileage is 27/38 city/highway, so let's say 32 average. so 'range' is 18.5*32 is 592 miles. a hybrid one does even better. however, most people only feel comfortable re-fueling when the car has a 1/4 tank left, so that makes effective range (.75 of that or) 444 miles. most ev's between charges are at most 200 miles, so the camry gets TWICE or more the range between 'refueling'. that's not insignificant, but as you know, what it represents in the end is a mild inconvenience on trips, not even relevant for day to day use with at home charging.

lol, i don't agree... like any 'media' there's good and bad. whatever you want to 'prove' there will be a video supporting your cause, ha.

not really sure your point except part of your ongoing virtue-signaling about how your phev is the savior of the world.
bottom line is lots of variables, no one size fits all. comments on your factors though

Avg. Cost of gas - what about Avg. Cost of electricity too? like gas, electricity costs vary widely, including free with solar. where i live electricity happens to be cheap, so my 'refueling' cost of my ev is 1/3 the cost of gas.

Availability of public chargers - not relevant as a daily driver. i've never used a public charger.

Cost to insure - my insurance went DOWN when i switched from gas to ev. don't assume it always goes up.

Resale - i leased - no care.

Reliability - depends on definition - fit and finish is not 'reliability'. all cars are extremely reliable and electric cars are incredibly reliable.

Service center (closest Tesla service center to me is 101 miles away 2hrs) - don't base everything on tesla. my hyundai dealer is nearby, not that i expect to go there more than once a year!

Cold weather effects - move to florida, lol

setup that strawman you already know the answer to.
my car is rated to charge 10%-80% in 18 minutes at a dc charger. sounds good to me.

why on earth would you EVER charge your phev using level 2 public charging?

fixed lol

there's nothing remotely similar in the 2 scenarios.

your last point is all that matters in the end. most people don't buy an electric car to save money. i did factor it in with mine as my 'fueling' costs went from about $120 a month to $30.

moving the goalposts from cost and charging to trim fit and finish on a tesla. mmkay. if you look at a recent 3 or y you'll see the fit and finish is really good.

in 3 days you HAD to charge is 3x? guess you drive a lot. and since you rented it i guess you didn't have level 2 home charging in place. so not exactly realistic.

your rav4 prime is a great compromise. great range, decent power, pretty useful... good job toyota, and go you!

personally, i hate the sound of the 4 cylinder under load (cvt?) when it kicks in. i don't like the space compromises of a hybrid vehicle although toyota did a great job with the rav4. the rav4 is very similar in size to the ioniq 5 yet the rav4 wheelbase is 12" less.

BayeauxLex

The factors I listed weren’t just for me but in general what new EV owners may not consider before purchasing.

spwolf

That looks like beaten rental, do you believe thats what all Teslas look like? I have almost 3hr old Model 3 Performance, it is really a nice car

My Model S is nicer.

AMIRZA786

Same with my model Y. It's almost a year old, has 10,506 miles on it, hasn't had any issues, no panel gaps, looks new inside and outside, and is the best car car I've ever owned

Allen K

iTrader: (4)

I have a rental ES350 right now and it's in rough shape for 57K rental miles. It's also very loud from a road noise perspective and reeks of marijuana, but I'm not judging all ES's by this poor example

BayeauxLex

I’ve rented 2 model 3s and both had the same gap on the side of the seat. I’m around 188lbs. I figured it was normal. The 1st model 3 had 1,800 miles. Still had paper tags. The 2nd Model 3 I believe was right under 20k miles. Both 2022s.

I said next time I will rent a Y or S. All of our luggage didn’t fit in the 3. Wife wasn’t too happy about that.

BayeauxLex

Someone on this forum had or has a misaligned charging port door and if I’m not mistaken Tesla won’t service it unless it starts to rub.

Unless that’s my friend’s Y. His has a few rattles they haven’t been able to fix and he had a couple panel gaps. 1 has been fixed. The other between the door and dash still exist. 2023 model.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

ha, i got an ev because it fit my needs, eliminated having to fill with gas (much less of a time factor on your phev of course)

no. at some point i'll venture to orlando (180mi. round trip) and charge there to test, or just take my chances and go the 265mi each way to my only trip location (and charge on the way in one of several locations).

there isn't any non-tesla dc (level 3) charging there?

not unreasonable if available.

how do you get free level 2?

as you know, rentals take a beating so that's probably a factor. the tesla 3 i rented last september had a common (but unacceptable) defect with the piece coming from the trunk into the body, but apart from that it drove just fine.

ha... i'm actually on the fence as to whether i prefer the great sound of the lc500 v8 (definitely exciting) or the ninja-silence of the ioniq 5.

AJT123

Only 15% of public chargers in the country are level 3, FWIW.

AMIRZA786

I only have one major complaint about my Model Y...it can't wash itself . C'mon Elon, what were you thinking??

AMIRZA786

And 14 percent of the 15 percent are in California 🤣

BayeauxLex