Tesla supercharger station gets cables stolen.
02-10-22, 04:11 PM
#46
Lexus Champion
Apples to oranges. I'll take measures to protect my own property, but I couldn't care less if someone steals cables at an EV charging station. The people stealing these cables for $10 at the scrapyard are not exactly rational human beings, they are just trying to score a hit of meth, lol.
02-10-22, 04:17 PM
#47
I think this is a situation where you think you know more about this than you do. Where are all the reports of these remanufactured battery packs exploding? There aren't any. There will be remanufactured EV battery packs
And in any event, a new from Tesla pack for a Model 3 is about $7,000. On the Chrysler Pacifica forums owners are paying $9,000 for new engines.
And in any event, a new from Tesla pack for a Model 3 is about $7,000. On the Chrysler Pacifica forums owners are paying $9,000 for new engines.
Again, not my statistic but yes it includes urban areas, that just shows you how high the % is in non-urban areas to compensate for the % being that high. Its from the American Housing Survey as part of the US Census. But, I guess thats not legitimate either? (thats the gaslighting)
If you would like to read the whole survey here it is:
If you would like to read the whole survey here it is:
I legit don't hate EVs, I was excited about them and almost bought one years ago. I hate the forced EV narrative, but I'm not worried about it. Naturally, when the thieves come and snip the cables from the narrative, I gloat, which is the point of this particular thread.
Yeah, except you can drive a bad ICE with engine that knocks, and smokes, and burns oil for years. A bad battery pack renders the EV useless.
02-10-22, 04:19 PM
#48
Lexus Champion
Um, I hate to break it to you, but Prius use, drumroll....Lithium Ion!
02-10-22, 04:26 PM
#50
Lexus Champion
Battery packs are not getting cheap, no way. The demand for rare earth metals is only going to increase, and so will the price of battery packs. Salvage and remanufactured packs are going to be good for a few month at best, and a huge fire hazard.
Ugh, no. For instance I have a driveway that on paper can accommodate 3-4 cars, in reality I never use it because it is super inconvenient, and it is typical for cities. NYC alone is 12 million people, so take that out of your 64% bs statistic. Most neighborhoods in NYC, if they somehow get public charging stations, the cables will get stolen the very next day, lol.
Ugh, no. For instance I have a driveway that on paper can accommodate 3-4 cars, in reality I never use it because it is super inconvenient, and it is typical for cities. NYC alone is 12 million people, so take that out of your 64% bs statistic. Most neighborhoods in NYC, if they somehow get public charging stations, the cables will get stolen the very next day, lol.
The 10-20k packs will go away as the only options, but I don't know how low the price will drop. It won't ever drop to the $700-900 range for a good used one.
02-10-22, 04:28 PM
#51
Lexus Champion
02-10-22, 04:28 PM
#52
Lexus Champion
You simply do not understand how warranty on these remanufactured parts works. The $900 battery pack is some old almost depleted pack, if it fails before the warranty fails the manufacturer will provide replace it with another one that is just as bad, and he'll still be on the hook for labor to replace it. A new battery pack from the factory has not gotten any cheaper.
02-10-22, 04:32 PM
#53
Lexus Fanatic
Hey look, a company that replaces old Prius NiMH batteries with Lithium Ion. Guess what they cost? $2K.
https://projectlithium.com/products/...placement-pack
Yes, the free market will create aftermarket solutions to meet the need. It ALWAYS does.
Not necessarily, a bad battery pack can mean reduced range and performance but the vehicle may still function.
And, when do we design products for those who buy them 25 years down the line and can barely afford to maintain them? Literally nothing we design as a society is geared towards that lowest common denominator. They will figure it out.
In any event, we are decades and decades and decades away from there being no, or even few ICE options for old Cletus to buy for $200 and clack around in lol
And you are ignoring all the other realities of how people will be able to charge cars without having to charge them at home. Like I said, I could charge an EV at work right now, today and never have to charge it at home. That ability is only going to become more widespread.
https://projectlithium.com/products/...placement-pack
Yes, the free market will create aftermarket solutions to meet the need. It ALWAYS does.
Originally Posted by Och
Yeah, except you can drive a bad ICE with engine that knocks, and smokes, and burns oil for years. A bad battery pack renders the EV useless.
And, when do we design products for those who buy them 25 years down the line and can barely afford to maintain them? Literally nothing we design as a society is geared towards that lowest common denominator. They will figure it out.
In any event, we are decades and decades and decades away from there being no, or even few ICE options for old Cletus to buy for $200 and clack around in lol
You are simply ignoring the reality of many of those parking spaces - many of them are not usable, or not suitable for a charger, or in areas where people can't afford EVs and EV chargers.
02-10-22, 04:33 PM
#54
Lexus Champion
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/a...attery-system/
02-10-22, 04:35 PM
#55
Lexus Fanatic
Hey look, EV charging roads:
https://futurism.com/ev-charging-roads-sweden
Innovation will win the day. (not saying this is a solution, just that solutions will come)
https://futurism.com/ev-charging-roads-sweden
Innovation will win the day. (not saying this is a solution, just that solutions will come)
02-10-22, 04:35 PM
#56
I have a lot more faith in someone DIY repairing a battery pack than an engine, it's borderline idiot proof. Check the cell banks, if out of spec check the cells, replace the cells, put it back. Doesn't require much skill to do. Issue is the park has a LOT of cells and to do it right you will need to load balance them and possibly replace a lot of them and that will never get cheaper due to the materials involved.
In any case, if you only replace a few cells at a time, you'll only be coming back to replace more in the nearmost future, if you replace all of them, it will cost as much as a new pack.
02-10-22, 04:36 PM
#57
Lexus Fanatic
02-10-22, 04:37 PM
#58
Lexus Champion
Hey look, EV charging roads:
https://futurism.com/ev-charging-roads-sweden
Innovation will win the day. (not saying this is a solution, just that solutions will come)
https://futurism.com/ev-charging-roads-sweden
Innovation will win the day. (not saying this is a solution, just that solutions will come)
02-10-22, 04:46 PM
#59
Hey look, a company that replaces old Prius NiMH batteries with Lithium Ion. Guess what they cost? $2K.
https://projectlithium.com/products/...placement-pack
Yes, the free market will create aftermarket solutions to meet the need. It ALWAYS does.
https://projectlithium.com/products/...placement-pack
Yes, the free market will create aftermarket solutions to meet the need. It ALWAYS does.
Not necessarily, a bad battery pack can mean reduced range and performance but the vehicle may still function.
And, when do we design products for those who buy them 25 years down the line and can barely afford to maintain them? Literally nothing we design as a society is geared towards that lowest common denominator. They will figure it out.
In any event, we are decades and decades and decades away from there being no, or even few ICE options for old Cletus to buy for $200 and clack around in lol
And, when do we design products for those who buy them 25 years down the line and can barely afford to maintain them? Literally nothing we design as a society is geared towards that lowest common denominator. They will figure it out.
In any event, we are decades and decades and decades away from there being no, or even few ICE options for old Cletus to buy for $200 and clack around in lol
And you are ignoring all the other realities of how people will be able to charge cars without having to charge them at home. Like I said, I could charge an EV at work right now, today and never have to charge it at home. That ability is only going to become more widespread.