Motortrend: Rivian R1S blows away Lexus LX600
10-17-22, 01:15 PM
#136
Lexus Fanatic
Can't agree with this. I have not driven these three vehicles, but reviews would not lead me to believe that those vehicles have worse ride quality than an LX600. The Suburban I had as a rental in FL rode better than the LX570.
10-17-22, 01:53 PM
#137
Lead Lap
That being said, the Escalade ride/handling combo is exemplary. GM can do a chassis tune.
10-17-22, 02:48 PM
#138
Lexus Fanatic
Was your Suburban a top trim model with the bigger wheels? I have a found that overall ride quality is great on the aforementioned vehicles, but for whatever reason the suspension tuning can't make up for smaller impacts coming through the 22" wheels which ends up causing shudders to come through the cabin. The Navigator is the worst about this, in this latest Escalade it is minimized. I just didn't notice it at all in my brief experience in the LX600.
That being said, the Escalade ride/handling combo is exemplary. GM can do a chassis tune.
That being said, the Escalade ride/handling combo is exemplary. GM can do a chassis tune.
10-18-22, 08:57 AM
#139
Pole Position
I rented a suburban for 2 weeks and it more body roll than the LX570, it drove much worse almost like a big boat. I was very uncomfortable driving it anything faster than 70, it didnt feel planted, the brakes were soft and mushy, more road noise inside the cabin. It was more pleasant in absorbing the irregularities on the road and space wise its not even comparable since its massive but kids didnt like it any better than the LX..I have driven LXs for years. only big SUVs that impressed me driving dynamics was the X7/GLS. heard the range rovers are good to but didnt get a chance but nothing American is impressive.
10-18-22, 09:04 AM
#140
Lexus Fanatic
I rented a suburban for 2 weeks and it more body roll than the LX570, it drove much worse almost like a big boat. I was very uncomfortable driving it anything faster than 70, it didnt feel planted, the brakes were soft and mushy, more road noise inside the cabin. It was more pleasant in absorbing the irregularities on the road and space wise its not even comparable since its massive but kids didnt like it any better than the LX..I have driven LXs for years. only big SUVs that impressed me driving dynamics was the X7/GLS. heard the range rovers are good to but didnt get a chance but nothing American is impressive.
These American BOF SUVs are very different than something like an X7 or GLS, if you tow, etc then they have capability you just don't get out of those vehicles. Personally, the only reason I would choose one over something like an X7/GLS/Range Rover is if I towed on a regular basis.
10-18-22, 02:33 PM
#141
Pole Position
that was couple of years ago so I think it wasn't the newest one out there. I was on board on getting a new navigator or expedition max but seeing couple of used one (1 or 2 yrs old) I was surprised how fast the wears and tears show up. I have heard good things about the magnetic suspension . Yes I tow a light trailer sometimes.
What year Suburban was it? The new platform Suburban is much better than the previous generations. Its obviously a huge ponderous vehicle, but the LX570 always felt the same way to me and is much smaller. Escalades have magnetic ride control and don't suffer from as much body roll/body movement. I was surprised by how much I liked driving that Suburban.
These American BOF SUVs are very different than something like an X7 or GLS, if you tow, etc then they have capability you just don't get out of those vehicles. Personally, the only reason I would choose one over something like an X7/GLS/Range Rover is if I towed on a regular basis.
These American BOF SUVs are very different than something like an X7 or GLS, if you tow, etc then they have capability you just don't get out of those vehicles. Personally, the only reason I would choose one over something like an X7/GLS/Range Rover is if I towed on a regular basis.
10-18-22, 02:38 PM
#142
Lexus Fanatic
that was couple of years ago so I think it wasn't the newest one out there. I was on board on getting a new navigator or expedition max but seeing couple of used one (1 or 2 yrs old) I was surprised how fast the wears and tears show up. I have heard good things about the magnetic suspension . Yes I tow a light trailer sometimes.
10-19-22, 08:04 AM
#143
Lead Lap
These American BOF SUVs are very different than something like an X7 or GLS, if you tow, etc then they have capability you just don't get out of those vehicles. Personally, the only reason I would choose one over something like an X7/GLS/Range Rover is if I towed on a regular basis.
10-19-22, 08:54 AM
#145
Lexus Fanatic
10-19-22, 02:12 PM
#146
Lexus Champion
Lol it can't be disputed that for towing you can't beat the USA, no way, nada, zip.
That's what so many American trucks do. Tow. Like how foreign desert runners drive those crazy 4x4 capable things with snorkels. I'm all for towing tech and what GM and Ford offer are pretty freakin' neat. GM Supercruise while towing, I could tow my boat from New York to LA hands and pedal free. That friends is the future, we're in it.
That's what so many American trucks do. Tow. Like how foreign desert runners drive those crazy 4x4 capable things with snorkels. I'm all for towing tech and what GM and Ford offer are pretty freakin' neat. GM Supercruise while towing, I could tow my boat from New York to LA hands and pedal free. That friends is the future, we're in it.
10-19-22, 02:16 PM
#147
Lead Lap
I will point out that I brought up the GLS' capacity rating as being useful for occasional towers. No doubt the BOF Americans do it best in general, which would be chiefly important for those that tow on a regular basis. I was never disputing that.
10-19-22, 02:22 PM
#148
Lexus Champion
Oh sure, I'm sure it's a decent tow vehicle. Most vehicles are these days because they're overpowered. Towing a regular average boat with one of the big boys or nevertheless powerful BOF, you barely can tell it's back there.
Last edited by AJT123; 10-19-22 at 02:27 PM.
10-20-22, 09:35 AM
#149
Lexus Fanatic
Its not even just the power, its the difference between how a BOF vehicle feels when its towing vs a unibody vehicle. Like AJT said, you dont feel the trailer back there where with a unibody vehicle you do
10-20-22, 12:59 PM
#150
Lexus Champion
Old Yukon tows great, has enough power but not overwhelming. The LX with 100 more hp is a massive difference. Not exaggerating when I say she is still strong as hell when towing the 4,000lb boat, plennnnty of power to haul *** away from a light.. I would never advise it but you could still drive quite like a manic acceleration-wise with the powerful fast trucks.