TangoRed

I would love to know what led to you posting this. What point are you trying to make? Battery density can't be improved because one manufacturer had issues with a consumer product? Did you just decide to completely ignore all the successes we've had with increasing battery power density over the last several decades with various types of batteries because of the Galaxy Note 7? Even if you simply don't like electric vehicles there's been problems with ICE developments at every stage as companies attempt to lower weight and cost while increasing efficiency. That doesn't mean we just throw in the towel and start campaigning against progress. Well, maybe you do I guess.

SW17LS

In the EV world what is "heavy" is just different. EVs also carry their weight better because its low in the center of gravity of the car.

bitkahuna

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riiiight,

SW17LS

Believe it or not, the COG is way lower in that than it is something like an old Hummer.

Toys4RJill

Are we really comparing the new EV Hummer to the original Hummer? The Hummer that was made for the US military…/like 45 years ago.

SW17LS

We made plenty of civilian Hummers, what I was really thinking of was the H2 Hummer.

Toys4RJill

Ah. That is just a GM Suburban or Silverado. It’s nothing special

SW17LS

But its still the predecessor to this Hummer. The point was that Hummer Bit posted has a lower COG than that Hummer H1. When you drive an EV, the weight feels different because it is down so low.

Toys4RJill

I agree. But it still weights more than the Hummer 1 built for the military. That is just crazy.

TangoRed

Not really. The Hummer EV is 32 inches longer and just as wide and tall. It also has all the creature comforts you'd expect a high priced 2022 vehicle to have. The Hummer H1 had very little in the way of convenience items adding weight.

The H1 just seemed unbelievably massive in the context of when Arnold started driving one around and everything around it was dramatically smaller.

AJT123

Shouldn't EVs be lighter so they require less energy (that probably comes from a FF fired plant to begin with)?

Legit question, why should it only apply to ICE cars?

Also, where are the people who declare anything that's not a Sentra is a huge dangerous battering ram bc of the weight? (like trucks, like this Hummer)

Toys4RJill

But the original military hummer still weights less. Right? Just crazy. Imagine how heavy a Chevrolet Suburban might weight. Criticizing the weight of the Hummer EV is definitely warranted, anything that heavy needs to be built to far higher standard, just costs more. And you are seeing that in the high purchase prices. And repair parts will be higher $$ too

I do think the new Hummer EV is pretty awesome.

TangoRed

The HMMWV (we know it as Humvee) was actually pretty light at 5200lbs or so (curb weight). A Suburban weighs more already. With armor and weapons the Humvee's weight obviously ballooned to a much higher number.

SW17LS

Its just a design reality, EVs are heavier...they just are. In a perfect world of course they would be lighter but thats just not reality. Comparing the weight of an ICE car and an EV doesn't make any sense because they aren't the same thing. The upside is that a 6,000 lb EV doesn't feel in handling like a 6,000 lb ICE car would feel because of the lower center of gravity.

Issue with trucks is more the mass and size and mismatch in size than it is weight.

situman

Who said I dont like EVs? I'm waiting for it and the infrastructure to mature a bit more. What led me to posting this? Well, thats the risk with batteries right? We have to be careful and not become reckless to achieve a certain goal.