Motortrend: Rivian R1S blows away Lexus LX600
10-01-22, 06:56 PM
#16
I would rather have a body on frame. Lexus made the right decision with no hybrid stuff in the LX…but totally made the wrong decision by using a turboV6. As poorly executed as the LX600 is… all could have been forgotten if they had a proper V8 (turbo or non doesn’t matter). If Toyota wanted to have just the V6, then it should be Land Cruiser and not a Lexus 
10-01-22, 07:37 PM
#17
Lexus is quickly morphing into Infiniti. High end offerings are subpar and not competitive in their segment. Lower end offerings are good enough to get people to pay a little extra so they don't have to admit they drive a Toyota. lol
10-01-22, 09:04 PM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
I knowwww how old the GX is but they are still flying off the lots here and easily could be the most ubiquitous luxury SUV of this city. We get GX550 with this engine also next. GX 4.6 I also found quite smooth and satisfying, even if it didn't melt my face into the seat. So many of us don't care about fuel economy, it's ridiculous. Maybe it is "over" but V8s are still out there, get them while you can.
GX4.6 is the last of the Lexus old stuff man. The GX has a 3.9 rear end. 6 speed. Full time 4WD
And a V8. The best Toyota/Lexus ever was the 1998-2002 LX 470. V8, 3200 peak lb. And a 4:30 gear..with full-time 4WD, locking rear diff. Manual 4WD shifter..And NO SCREEN (just manual controls at first) Just majestic. Ultimate grunt (but crap past 40mph). That is what the Tundra 5.7…a 4:30 gear option…like last of the kind. A lot of the 1990s Tacoma and Hillux were 4:10I agree to that.
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10-01-22, 11:42 PM
#19
Lexus Test Driver
Up until this comparison, I have not heard of many complaints on the LX's drivetrain. I think compared to an electric, of course it's going to seem coarse. What gas engine wouldn't?
Beyond the cost of fuel, I find the LX more appealing than the bug-eyed Rivian.
Beyond the cost of fuel, I find the LX more appealing than the bug-eyed Rivian.
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10-02-22, 06:15 AM
#20
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10-02-22, 06:27 AM
#21
Lexus Fanatic
^^^^^ Truth on both sides here. The LS400/430 (not necessarily the 460) would probably take the award for best overall Lexus, but older LX models, which were Land-Cruiser-based, would probably take the award for most durable.
The 1Gen IS300 (a rebadged Toyota Altezza) would also rank way up there in build-solidness, although it had some quirks in the operation of the 5-speed automatic and the climate-control-dials. But from the moment I picked mine up and drive it home from the dealership, the structure felt like I was driving a compact-sized tank, built to resist battle-damage LOL. Later versions of the IS couldn't even come close....I noticed the looser-feeling and more lightweight/thinner materials.
The 1Gen IS300 (a rebadged Toyota Altezza) would also rank way up there in build-solidness, although it had some quirks in the operation of the 5-speed automatic and the climate-control-dials. But from the moment I picked mine up and drive it home from the dealership, the structure felt like I was driving a compact-sized tank, built to resist battle-damage LOL. Later versions of the IS couldn't even come close....I noticed the looser-feeling and more lightweight/thinner materials.
10-02-22, 07:39 AM
#23
Lexus Champion
The magazines are all bought and paid for, anything EV is perfect and ICE is garbage. It's fine that the Hummer weighs 10k lbs, Audi E-tron 5200lbs, Tesla Model X 5500lbs. I've been reading car articles for 36 years. They've always shunned excess weight, but not anymore when it's from batteries.
They could have at least mentioned that the Rivian would be pretty much useless (or at least, very disadvantaged) off the beaten path on an overnight or extended long off road trip versus an LX. That's 100% fair to say. Do we really think hardcore off roaders would trust this over a Toyota? Because LX and LC owners, many of them beat them to hell.
10-02-22, 07:43 AM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
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The magazines are all bought and paid for, anything EV is perfect and ICE is garbage. It's fine that the Hummer weighs 10k lbs, Audi E-tron 5200lbs, Tesla Model X 5500lbs. I've been reading car articles for 36 years. They've always shunned excess weight, but not anymore when it's from batteries.
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The magazines are all bought and paid for, anything EV is perfect and ICE is garbage. It's fine that the Hummer weighs 10k lbs, Audi E-tron 5200lbs, Tesla Model X 5500lbs. I've been reading car articles for 36 years. They've always shunned excess weight, but not anymore when it's from batteries.
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Lows: No full-time all-wheel-drive mode, hybrid battery kills interior storage, weight negates power advantage
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10-02-22, 08:50 AM
#26
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fixed. 
when you have 800+hp, weight isn't a issue. 
not sure why you say that unless you're driving hundreds of miles off road and can't get back. that would obviously be stupid, like driving off road starting without enough gas to get back.
i imagine the number of 'hardcore off roaders' is a TINY percentage of LX/LC owners and many of those many 'beat them to hell' but there's no reason to think the rivian can't do it too. in fact, with 4 independent motors, the rivian is likely MUCH more capable off road vs hugely complex and always compromised diffs, locks, torque converters, etc.
the future is coming at us fast. the current 'horse and buggy' already seems quaintly very old and inefficient.
i know my LC500 with a 5.0L v8 is slower than a lot of EVs, still very heavy, etc., outdated infotainment, etc., but i enjoy driving it, so it will stay for now!
reading car articles for 36 years. They've always shunned excess weight, but not anymore when it's from batteries.
They could have at least mentioned that the Rivian would be pretty much useless (or at least, very disadvantaged) off the beaten path on an overnight or extended long off road trip versus an LX. That's 100% fair to say.
Do we really think hardcore off roaders would trust this over a Toyota? Because LX and LC owners, many of them beat them to hell.
the future is coming at us fast. the current 'horse and buggy' already seems quaintly very old and inefficient.
i know my LC500 with a 5.0L v8 is slower than a lot of EVs, still very heavy, etc., outdated infotainment, etc., but i enjoy driving it, so it will stay for now!
10-02-22, 09:31 AM
#27
Lexus Fanatic
Lexus has long earned a reputation for quiet refinement, but the LX600 doesn't measure up. Fire up its V-6 and slip the transmission into drive, and the whole vehicle rocks like a horse straining at its lead, while the engine vibrates the rear seats noticeably at idle. The experience doesn't improve drastically from there. Although it smooths out once it gets moving, the Lexus' powertrain is lazy and unresponsive.
Ouch.
Ouch.
10-02-22, 09:33 AM
#29
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