Long distance trip ev (non Tesla) charging still a big problem
#46
The Bolt was probably chosen as the example because it has the lowest DC fast charge speed of any EV on sale in North America. I suspect that was already understood when it was given as the example... Most EVs have much more usable DC fast charging then the Bolt. You may as well be suggesting taking an ICE vehicle with a small tank and poor fuel economy on the same trip. It would be equally asinine.
#47
To add to the above, ABRP says the same trip in my Lightning can be done with just over three hours or charging (3:15). Also, you have to let ABRP know to stay within the fastest charge zone. By default it’s likely to be assuming DCFC to 90 or even 100%. DCFC will generally slow significantly after 80 and in particular after 90%.
I think 4:30hr extra is pain in the butt, and I love my EV.
#48
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#49
With ESQ580, you would have super short break of 10-20m even during winter (4h 44m, similar with Model S or Model 3/X/Y.
Worse EVs like e-tron would take 1hr longer due to 2 charging stops that take long time.
So anyway, you can switch to nice EV tomorrow and you would only see the benefits of EV ownership, such as starting at 100% every day and not having to go to gas station every 1-2 weeks).
#50
Super Moderator
Your not accounting for the many thousands "Snowbirds" that travel from northern states(Canada included) to southern states(Florida) every spring and fall. I was one once myself drove 1200mi one way. The present day EV as designed is not meant for it especially with the crappy charger network in the east which is the subject of this thread.
#51
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second, the thread is ABOUT long trips. sure an ev may be ideal for daily commuting and errands, etc. and yes, we all know how awesome they are to charge at home and even more awesome if one has solar, etc, etc, but that isn't what this thread is about.
the issue, is you want to change the subject to people who don't take long trips and the 'anti-ev crowd'. take your constant trolling on this elsewhere.
#54
Also this trip is super long, you might want to sleep somewhere, but same holds on smaller 6hr trips - best case scenario is that they are now 8hrs, reality of slow charging networks outside tesla is that they might actually be 9+hr trips instead of 6 with gas vehicle.
I do 200 mile and 400 mile trips at least 10 times per year, and it is borderline annoying. I can imagine someone doing 600-700 mile trips this often simply never even thinking about EV today, even a Tesla.
#55
This is a "hell no" from me. One of my last pre-covid work trips was to upstate New York--a 528 mile flight to O'Hare, plus a ~20 mile drive on each end, or a 653 mile drive. My return was on the same day as the end of season party for a local sports organization that I was Commissioner of. About an hour after I left the office, I had dropped off my rental car and was standing at the gate waiting to board, when the 2-hour party began. Upon arrival, I walked a bit quickly to the parking garage, and drove perhaps a bit more quickly straight to the park where we were holding the party. I was there 15 minutes before it ended, and was able to close it out nicely with all the parents, players, and coaches. About 2.5 hours, door-to-door.
Had I been driving, left the office at the same time, and never stopped once for gas, food, to stretch, or go to the bathroom, I would have gotten home at about 1:30 am (~10.5 hr drive). Since I do need to do those things, 3:30 am would be more realistic. But if we're being honest, I wouldn't do that either after being up early and working all day. So it'd be another night in the hotel, a fairly early departure in the morning, and home at 6-7pm. About 24 hours after I actually WAS home.
Post-Covid, I make this same trip every 1-2 months, and now the most convenient flight is actually in the morning, so I do still take that extra night in the hotel (which is nice because I can take my team out on Thursday night). I do have to get up a bit earlier than I'd like, but I'm settled at home by 8am (even with waiting for an Uber) instead of after dinner. Taking the "1-2 hr flight" literally gives me back an entire day.
Had I been driving, left the office at the same time, and never stopped once for gas, food, to stretch, or go to the bathroom, I would have gotten home at about 1:30 am (~10.5 hr drive). Since I do need to do those things, 3:30 am would be more realistic. But if we're being honest, I wouldn't do that either after being up early and working all day. So it'd be another night in the hotel, a fairly early departure in the morning, and home at 6-7pm. About 24 hours after I actually WAS home.
Post-Covid, I make this same trip every 1-2 months, and now the most convenient flight is actually in the morning, so I do still take that extra night in the hotel (which is nice because I can take my team out on Thursday night). I do have to get up a bit earlier than I'd like, but I'm settled at home by 8am (even with waiting for an Uber) instead of after dinner. Taking the "1-2 hr flight" literally gives me back an entire day.
#56
Lexus Champion
I couldn't even break 10MPG in my LS430 out there, it was bad. But I was in the thick of it, gridlock.
#57
Lexus Fanatic
The fact is the average amount of miles driven in a day is about 35, most people don’t take long trips like that on a regular basis, most families have more than one car, and most houses have a garage or off street parking. Most Americans live in a home and not a condo or apartment. So, the use cases where it really wouldn’t work are niche cases.
no, that isn't the 'issue'. for one, i started the thread and i am NOT 'anti-ev'.
second, the thread is ABOUT long trips. sure an ev may be ideal for daily commuting and errands, etc. and yes, we all know how awesome they are to charge at home and even more awesome if one has solar, etc, etc, but that isn't what this thread is about.
the issue, is you want to change the subject to people who don't take long trips and the 'anti-ev crowd'. take your constant trolling on this elsewhere.
second, the thread is ABOUT long trips. sure an ev may be ideal for daily commuting and errands, etc. and yes, we all know how awesome they are to charge at home and even more awesome if one has solar, etc, etc, but that isn't what this thread is about.
the issue, is you want to change the subject to people who don't take long trips and the 'anti-ev crowd'. take your constant trolling on this elsewhere.
You may not be “anti EV” but literally everything you post about EVs is about their shortcomings.
So if I had a fully charged Tesla the range wouldn't change at all if I had a 1.5 hour commute each way that was 17 miles? It would come home with approximately 35 miles less after B2B traffic for 3 hours say in the brutal heat A/C blasting? Genuinely curious. That was the commute situation when we were there, West LA to Torrance and back.
I couldn't even break 10MPG in my LS430 out there, it was bad. But I was in the thick of it, gridlock.
I couldn't even break 10MPG in my LS430 out there, it was bad. But I was in the thick of it, gridlock.
#58
Does Tesla inform owners how long the queue is before directing them to it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-11579649
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-11579649
#59
Lexus Fanatic
Does Tesla inform owners how long the queue is before directing them to it?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-11579649
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-11579649
#60
Lead Lap
The main issue for me is that when I travel like I did a couple days ago I don’t want to have to plan to stop. I just want to stop where and when I want. If I’m hungry and I need to charge up how do I know that there is a place I want to eat and charge in the same parking lot or general vicinity where I could walk to do both. If by chance I can’t/don’t want to do both at the same time, that equals two longish stops.