SW17LS

No question on a long unfamiliar trip like that, the trips I take though are more ordinary and I’ve taken them a ton of times, and I always stop at the same places. For instance I usually stop at the McDonalds in Woodstock and get something to eat, always stop at the WV welcome center to pee, when I had cars that didn’t have this range I always stopped in White Sulphur Springs for gas…adjusting to stopping in Lexington for 20 minutes wouldn’t be a big deal.

lamar411

The problem with this thread and many others who share the same view is that they are trying to force a circle block in a square hole. I don't think any of the people in this thread are proponents of taking EV's on long road trips, they acknowledge it is a shortcoming. But the anti EV crowd keeps forcing a non issue.... its like the people who **** on EV's and towing. No duh if you take a big Ford Lightning and take it somewhere cold and make it pull a trailer your range will suck? Is that not known from the past decade of EV's being on the road?

At the end of the day, buy the vehicle that suits YOUR NEEDS. I commute to work and bumble around the local areas in my free time but I almost never drive more then 100 miles a day. I also don't go on long road trips as I would rather fly. An EV would work for me perfectly. BUT i don't own one as I live in a condo and don't have a charger. So it doesn't work for my current situation. Which is fine...

If you were a consumer that needed a lot of space, towing capability, long distance range, you have a full market of ICE vehicles. EV's aren't stealing your gas engines from you. Buy that.

/thread

SW17LS

Exactly…and we are a FAR way off from having EVs as the only option.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

YOU have been stating they're a reasonable option because charging doesn't take long, etc. i have even made this thread NOT about tesla, because tesla is an ok option to me on long trips.
YOU are making this about something it's not. i'd really appreciate you not crapping all over threads you don't approve of.

i posted a video, about a long trip where the youtuber, a MASSIVE ev fan, despite LOVING the bmw ix, shows the shortcomings on a long road trip (doesn't have to be 1100 miles like he did).

there's plenty of positive ev threads you can fanboy in if you want. this was meant to be informative. if you don't like it, you're free to not post in it (please).

spwolf

no, it would not spend 0% on cooling you but you would come home with 50-60 miles less (which is stupid way to calculate battery - you could come home with 10% less battery). And you would recharge at home at equivalent of 2x-5x less than paying for gas at gas pump which means you would not care at all if it spent some energy cooling. EVs are still using lot of energy when AC is running on full, when you drive fast or short commutes. But it does not matter as much since you are not paying a lot for it. IE if i drove super slow in the city and dont use heating/cooling, i would die inside, and pay 30% less in electricity cost. But i pay almost nothing right now, so how much is 30% of almost nothing? $5 per month? For $5 per month, i do 0-60 all day long, and pre-heat/cool my car anytime.

swajames

this is absolutely false. AC in a modern EV is extremely efficient. You would not lose 10% from your SoC with moderate AC use for an hour or so. It gets hotter in my part of California than it does in LA, and my own observed AC consumption is generally reasonably negligible. My vehicle reports what has been consumed on powertrain, climate, accessory use and so on after each trip, and the AC impact in slow commuter traffic is almost always well under 5%. It’s rarely above a couple of percent. Heating has a much bigger impact than AC.

SW17LS

When have I ever said that an EV for a long trip is a good option? I have never said that. It remains for me the only negative in my own decision whether or not to buy an EV. I wouldn't even consider Tesla an ok option on a long trip. I have said that occasional charging for 15-30 minutes is not that big a deal, but of course having to stop 6 times for 30 minutes each on a trip is a HUGE deal.

I would also suggest that you talk to a moderator about someone "crapping on a thread" vs just disagreeing with you. I think I have been very fair and reasonable and courteous towards my fellow members in this thread. You however have been very rude to me, calling me a troll etc. If you don't want to read what I post, just put me on your ignore list.

Which we all agree with...I'm not sure why pointing out that most people don't drive regularly on trips like that makes you so angry.

703

not just EVs. Toyota and Lexus hybrids have one of most efficient A/c as well. With the baby asleep in back seat, in often leave my Rx450h on and the engine hardly kicks in to recharge the battery.

SW17LS

Thats the hybrid system for you, thats one of the big benefits of ICE cars with 48V systems, the AC still works when the engine cuts off at a stop. In my cars with ESS and no 48V system the AC dies when they are shut off. That efficiency you are seeing is because your hybrid doesn't have a traditional belt driven system, same as an EV.

703

Yes, however the Toyota inverter/compressor is driven directly by the 244.8V battery, so I think that's a bit more efficient than the mild hybrid of the 48V system?

SW17LS

I'm sure it is, but the net result is the same benefit.

LeX2K

Electric motors are dramatically more efficient vs. belt driven compressor.

Margate330

How long can the heat or AC stay running if, for example, you were stuck behind a traffic jam or wreck.

Would say an hour longer trip due to stuff like that affect range much?

SW17LS

They will run for about 2.5 DAYS

DaveGS4

iTrader: (2)

let’s knock off the personal commentary folks or thread will be closed

also, I’d really love to see answers to the questions in this thread from EV owners who have personal experience with many of the questions posted here, less conjecture from folks who don’t own one