Who Did You Blow Away Today Or Vice Versa
11-25-08, 10:14 AM
#331
jerome
side intake does not necessarily yield more horsepower .should yield better trq down low and mid and depending on design of intake manny should def yield better throttle response
health of the motor is a strong part of equation , what head gasket is he running , is it a true na setup (10:1 comp pistons) with tt headgasket which yields compress ratio of 9:2:1 which will net more power on less boost or is he running tt internals
all i can say is next year i will be building a shortblock with 9:1:1 compression with mild head work and will hit 600 ish at no more then 23psi if that
side intake does not necessarily yield more horsepower .should yield better trq down low and mid and depending on design of intake manny should def yield better throttle response
health of the motor is a strong part of equation , what head gasket is he running , is it a true na setup (10:1 comp pistons) with tt headgasket which yields compress ratio of 9:2:1 which will net more power on less boost or is he running tt internals
all i can say is next year i will be building a shortblock with 9:1:1 compression with mild head work and will hit 600 ish at no more then 23psi if that
Also, hurry and build that shortblock so we can put it to the test...
11-25-08, 10:17 AM
#332
heres a post from supra forums of a true na-t making almost 730rwhp on a t71 dbb turbo
he was on a 2.5 mm hg like me he was using a standard over the top intake manny
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505649
he was on a 2.5 mm hg like me he was using a standard over the top intake manny
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505649
11-25-08, 10:41 AM
#333
and side intake does not automaticallty mean more hp , jofh at fsm has sent his design to headgames to compare cfm flow between stock intake supra tt intake and his aftermarket intake .. the tt flowed less then our design , the aftermarket flowed just slightly better then both but trq was the goal and throttle response gaining a few ponies might be a realistic expectation but again not a given
the ability to run less piping means more velocity of air into plen. , less piping equates to better throttle response and biggest gain ever THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PLUGS AT WILL
mine is coming shortly from fsm for they are the king of na and have throughly tested their design
11-25-08, 10:49 AM
#334
hes running 29psi and all stock stuff confirmed from boostlogic
and side intake does not automaticallty mean more hp , jofh at fsm has sent his design to headgames to compare cfm flow between stock intake supra tt intake and his aftermarket intake .. the tt flowed less then our design , the aftermarket flowed just slightly better then both but trq was the goal and throttle response gaining a few ponies might be a realistic expectation but again not a given
the ability to run less piping means more velocity of air into plen. , less piping equates to better throttle response and biggest gain ever THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PLUGS AT WILL
mine is coming shortly from fsm for they are the king of na and have throughly tested their design
and side intake does not automaticallty mean more hp , jofh at fsm has sent his design to headgames to compare cfm flow between stock intake supra tt intake and his aftermarket intake .. the tt flowed less then our design , the aftermarket flowed just slightly better then both but trq was the goal and throttle response gaining a few ponies might be a realistic expectation but again not a given
the ability to run less piping means more velocity of air into plen. , less piping equates to better throttle response and biggest gain ever THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PLUGS AT WILL
mine is coming shortly from fsm for they are the king of na and have throughly tested their design
11-25-08, 11:33 AM
#336
should be finished by march /april
so my tired motor/head with new intake ,new turbo and upgraded fuel will have to do with a retune by alpha
11-25-08, 11:33 AM
#337
heres a post from supra forums of a true na-t making almost 730rwhp on a t71 dbb turbo
he was on a 2.5 mm hg like me he was using a standard over the top intake manny
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505649
he was on a 2.5 mm hg like me he was using a standard over the top intake manny
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=505649
so with some new cams, STOCK head, STOCK intake manifold, stock throttle body, STOCK bottom end, 728 at 29lbs backed up with a 722 right after. this car is on a bolt on boost logic na-t kit, 4inch dp/mp, na-t cams, stock distributer with a hks dli and and aem with fuel. the car had bad ignition breakup past 30lbs so we didnt turn it up all the way but i dont see it making that much more power. the car made a very respectible 600rwtq dropping to 550rwtq at redline. hopefully boost logic will post the graphs.
this is a total gain of 84 hp from my last dyno on the stock cams and same turbo.
Ed, I was able to pull it up but see you forgot to mention that he gained 84hp with the addition of cams so if you looked at it really his numbers are not really that impressive. On 29psi he dynoed 644 where as I dynoed 664 on 27 psi so with the addition of the cams that's how he was able to achieve those numbers but again, still very impressive!
11-25-08, 11:52 AM
#338
well its been a long time comming, alot of work, alot of headaches sorry everyone at bl i know im an *** but
so with some new cams, STOCK head, STOCK intake manifold, stock throttle body, STOCK bottom end, 728 at 29lbs backed up with a 722 right after. this car is on a bolt on boost logic na-t kit, 4inch dp/mp, na-t cams, stock distributer with a hks dli and and aem with fuel. the car had bad ignition breakup past 30lbs so we didnt turn it up all the way but i dont see it making that much more power. the car made a very respectible 600rwtq dropping to 550rwtq at redline. hopefully boost logic will post the graphs.
this is a total gain of 84 hp from my last dyno on the stock cams and same turbo.
Ed, I was able to pull it up but see you forgot to mention that he gained 84hp with the addition of cams so if you looked at it really his numbers are not really that impressive. On 29psi he dynoed 644 where as I dynoed 664 on 27 psi so with the addition of the cams that's how he was able to achieve those numbers but again, still very impressive!
so with some new cams, STOCK head, STOCK intake manifold, stock throttle body, STOCK bottom end, 728 at 29lbs backed up with a 722 right after. this car is on a bolt on boost logic na-t kit, 4inch dp/mp, na-t cams, stock distributer with a hks dli and and aem with fuel. the car had bad ignition breakup past 30lbs so we didnt turn it up all the way but i dont see it making that much more power. the car made a very respectible 600rwtq dropping to 550rwtq at redline. hopefully boost logic will post the graphs.
this is a total gain of 84 hp from my last dyno on the stock cams and same turbo.
Ed, I was able to pull it up but see you forgot to mention that he gained 84hp with the addition of cams so if you looked at it really his numbers are not really that impressive. On 29psi he dynoed 644 where as I dynoed 664 on 27 psi so with the addition of the cams that's how he was able to achieve those numbers but again, still very impressive!
11-25-08, 12:33 PM
#339
also
rem hes using a 2.5mm hg so the effects the squish vol and eff within cyl chambers as compared to tt pistons utilizing piston dish to effect compression
raising deck height works effectively but not effiently
using 2.5mm hg lowers compress to around 8:3:1 to 8:4:1 as opposed to you guys running 8:5:1
this one reason why i am building a block for next year at 9:1:1 for better spool , making more power with less boost and 100% better off boost driving
rem hes using a 2.5mm hg so the effects the squish vol and eff within cyl chambers as compared to tt pistons utilizing piston dish to effect compression
raising deck height works effectively but not effiently
using 2.5mm hg lowers compress to around 8:3:1 to 8:4:1 as opposed to you guys running 8:5:1
this one reason why i am building a block for next year at 9:1:1 for better spool , making more power with less boost and 100% better off boost driving
11-25-08, 01:06 PM
#340
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
well its been a long time comming, alot of work, alot of headaches sorry everyone at bl i know im an *** but
so with some new cams, STOCK head, STOCK intake manifold, stock throttle body, STOCK bottom end, 728 at 29lbs backed up with a 722 right after. this car is on a bolt on boost logic na-t kit, 4inch dp/mp, na-t cams, stock distributer with a hks dli and and aem with fuel. the car had bad ignition breakup past 30lbs so we didnt turn it up all the way but i dont see it making that much more power. the car made a very respectible 600rwtq dropping to 550rwtq at redline. hopefully boost logic will post the graphs.
this is a total gain of 84 hp from my last dyno on the stock cams and same turbo.
Ed, I was able to pull it up but see you forgot to mention that he gained 84hp with the addition of cams so if you looked at it really his numbers are not really that impressive. On 29psi he dynoed 644 where as I dynoed 664 on 27 psi so with the addition of the cams that's how he was able to achieve those numbers but again, still very impressive!
so with some new cams, STOCK head, STOCK intake manifold, stock throttle body, STOCK bottom end, 728 at 29lbs backed up with a 722 right after. this car is on a bolt on boost logic na-t kit, 4inch dp/mp, na-t cams, stock distributer with a hks dli and and aem with fuel. the car had bad ignition breakup past 30lbs so we didnt turn it up all the way but i dont see it making that much more power. the car made a very respectible 600rwtq dropping to 550rwtq at redline. hopefully boost logic will post the graphs.
this is a total gain of 84 hp from my last dyno on the stock cams and same turbo.
Ed, I was able to pull it up but see you forgot to mention that he gained 84hp with the addition of cams so if you looked at it really his numbers are not really that impressive. On 29psi he dynoed 644 where as I dynoed 664 on 27 psi so with the addition of the cams that's how he was able to achieve those numbers but again, still very impressive!
also
rem hes using a 2.5mm hg so the effects the squish vol and eff within cyl chambers as compared to tt pistons utilizing piston dish to effect compression
raising deck height works effectively but not effiently
using 2.5mm hg lowers compress to around 8:3:1 to 8:4:1 as opposed to you guys running 8:5:1
this one reason why i am building a block for next year at 9:1:1 for better spool , making more power with less boost and 100% better off boost driving
rem hes using a 2.5mm hg so the effects the squish vol and eff within cyl chambers as compared to tt pistons utilizing piston dish to effect compression
raising deck height works effectively but not effiently
using 2.5mm hg lowers compress to around 8:3:1 to 8:4:1 as opposed to you guys running 8:5:1
this one reason why i am building a block for next year at 9:1:1 for better spool , making more power with less boost and 100% better off boost driving
Lol
11-25-08, 01:09 PM
#341
People do side intake manifold because the shorter air flow the less the turbo has to work and the more response you can get out of the motor.
the TT block is a more superior block no matter what anybody says. Yamaha/Toyota aren't going to make a motor that have oil squirters for no reason, they make side intake manifold cause it flow better and usually what happen with turbo cars is lag and throttle response. With the side intake the length in which air travels is much shorter and takes a shorter time to built positive pressure which also cause the turbo to go into fool boost quicker.
I am a firm believer that the side intake flow much better.
the only negative thing about the side intake manifold is changing the oil is a pain in the A$$.
the TT block is a more superior block no matter what anybody says. Yamaha/Toyota aren't going to make a motor that have oil squirters for no reason, they make side intake manifold cause it flow better and usually what happen with turbo cars is lag and throttle response. With the side intake the length in which air travels is much shorter and takes a shorter time to built positive pressure which also cause the turbo to go into fool boost quicker.
I am a firm believer that the side intake flow much better.
the only negative thing about the side intake manifold is changing the oil is a pain in the A$$.
11-25-08, 01:23 PM
#344
People do side intake manifold because the shorter air flow the less the turbo has to work and the more response you can get out of the motor.
the TT block is a more superior block no matter what anybody says. Yamaha/Toyota aren't going to make a motor that have oil squirters for no reason, they make side intake manifold cause it flow better and usually what happen with turbo cars is lag and throttle response. With the side intake the length in which air travels is much shorter and takes a shorter time to built positive pressure which also cause the turbo to go into fool boost quicker.
I am a firm believer that the side intake flow much better.
the only negative thing about the side intake manifold is changing the oil is a pain in the A$$.
the TT block is a more superior block no matter what anybody says. Yamaha/Toyota aren't going to make a motor that have oil squirters for no reason, they make side intake manifold cause it flow better and usually what happen with turbo cars is lag and throttle response. With the side intake the length in which air travels is much shorter and takes a shorter time to built positive pressure which also cause the turbo to go into fool boost quicker.
I am a firm believer that the side intake flow much better.
the only negative thing about the side intake manifold is changing the oil is a pain in the A$$.
