Ah come on now...give your grandma some credit. In my post, I did say that the 400 is technically quicker by .1 sec to 60. But here's what I'm saying...A 400 and 430 (both stock) line up at the track. Who's gona win??? In this case, the better driver will win. Just because a 400 is technically quicker dosen't mean that its gona beat a 430. The performance difference between the 400 and 430 is minimal at best and its driver skill that will determine outcome.

 

So by that measure, with 'the same' or equal drivers, the GS400 should win, right?

 

Do they have test and tune on Saturday mornings too?

 

even if granny has an automatic in that 911 turbo

 

hahhaa, not sure if she would know how to floor the car okok, this is ot

 

haha man, i can't disagree. yes yes yes, the 400 is faster

 

Yes...the 400 will win. So my advice to all you 430 guys is mod your car and hope you don't run into
the likes of DaveGS4 on the street.

 

max torque and hp comes earlier on a 430 by a few hundred rpm and has an extra 15lbs of torque. what i notice with my 430 is that, after you start the car and drive the car aggressive, the car is alot more responsive, but if i start out driving the car like a grandma, my car feels slow.

 

same here. when i drive my sc430, i notice that the car really adjusts itlself to my driving habit fast. if i start to drive aggressive, in about 10 15 mins the car will start to "help me out"

 

Due to the drive by wire throttle, the GS430 at least "feels" slower (maybe less responsive?). Most people who have driven them back to back (myself included) agree with that.

 

I may be an exception. When I bought my 430, I test drove it along with a 2000GS400. Back to back test drives. To be honest, I could not feel any difference. The only difference I noticed was that the e-shift on the 400 did not respond when I hit the button to upshift. Result - hit the rev limiter. As for response, my 430 has never let me down - maybe I got lucky with the drive by wire. The one thing I will say is that my 430 (before installing the 3.76 lsd) would always shift at 6,000rpm under wot. Now with the 3.76, it shifts right before redline. All in all, I think both models are fast and can be made even faster with a few mods. I gotta give the 400 the nod for no cel with a tc whereas the 430 will light it up.

 

hehee, you and chunkb are the two who are lucky with the wire system on the 430 dunno, me and my wife we are pretty frustrated with the sc430 on this tc and lsd we need you!

 

what did you call me?.......... j/k

what is your complaint w/sc430 ecu? I have noticed under normal light throttle driving, it lets off the gas a little between shifts, but it's smooth and no big deal. the more on the gas you are, the less it does it.

here's what I've noticed about 430. I have adapted to it slightly. When you want to get on it, you do have to push the pedal down farther than you would expect, but as long as you're used to how it's gonna respond, it's ok. It's kinda like you have to stay one step ahead of it. And learning how far you have to push the pedal to make it downshift or not, depending what you want it to do.
If in a race situation, you definately wan't to have it locked in gear and ready to go (pref around 3000-3500rpm) and if it is it will pull the instant you hit the gas. It also seems like Rom said, that it is getting used to me driving it like that and anticipating how I like to drive. I haven't reset my ECU for about 6 months.

GS430 doesn't have that Ford or Chevy muscle car feeling of barely pushing the gas and going fast, but neither did the GS400 I drove. I don't think Lexus want's them to be like that, they want the car to be more on the smooth and relaxing side.

 

While I nave never driven an eShift GS400, I am 99% sure that it works like all of the other manual shift automatics and that is - it doesn't. They lag/delay time is calculated in seconds. I had this with my 540 and while downshifts worked pretty good, upshifts were a joke. Other friends with GS400s have concurred.

 

For me, e-shift was the difference between the 430 and the 400. Why? Hell, I think it's "neat".

I like being able to hold a gear without moving my hand from the wheel, especially around corners and through multiple bends. Additionally, I use it all the time for downshifting when I know for a fact that I would not use the gear shift in normal circumstances. Call it convenience or laziness - either way, I enjoy the e-shift feature.

I think it's a shame they could not find a way to implement e-shift on the 430.

Eric