"WHY!?!" (do you NEED your master key to program a new one?)
04-24-05, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tamicalhou
What year and model is it?
Tami
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Found this searching...will it work is my "valet" key is programmed as master!
1. Open driver's door, keep it open and in the unlocked position. All other doors should be closed and locked.
2. Put original master key in ignition and pull out. This is the only step which requires the original key.
3. Lock and Unlock the driver's door 5 times, using the manual lock, NOT the power lock. Complete each lock/unlock
cycle within 1 second and the entire process in 40 seconds or less.
4. Close the door and open the door
5. Lock and unlock the driver's door another 5 times. Complete each lock/unlock cycle within 1 second and entire
process in 40 seconds or less.
6. Put the new master key in the ignition, turn it to "on" and then "off" (with 1 second) and remove from the
ignition
7. Press and hold transmitter LOCK and UNLOCK buttons simultaneously for at least 1.5 seconds,
and then within 3 seconds, press Lock or Unlock for at least 1 second
8. If within 3 seconds, door locks cycle one time, new transmitter code was accepted. If door locks cycle 2 times,
new transmitter code was not accepted. If code was not accepted, retry step 7.
Last edited by maaloxx; 04-24-05 at 06:12 PM.
04-25-05, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by maaloxx
I have a 1998 GS300.
Found this searching...will it work is my "valet" key is programmed as master!
1. Open driver's door, keep it open and in the unlocked position. All other doors should be closed and locked.
2. Put original master key in ignition and pull out. This is the only step which requires the original key.
3. Lock and Unlock the driver's door 5 times, using the manual lock, NOT the power lock. Complete each lock/unlock
cycle within 1 second and the entire process in 40 seconds or less.
4. Close the door and open the door
5. Lock and unlock the driver's door another 5 times. Complete each lock/unlock cycle within 1 second and entire
process in 40 seconds or less.
6. Put the new master key in the ignition, turn it to "on" and then "off" (with 1 second) and remove from the
ignition
7. Press and hold transmitter LOCK and UNLOCK buttons simultaneously for at least 1.5 seconds,
and then within 3 seconds, press Lock or Unlock for at least 1 second
8. If within 3 seconds, door locks cycle one time, new transmitter code was accepted. If door locks cycle 2 times,
new transmitter code was not accepted. If code was not accepted, retry step 7.
Found this searching...will it work is my "valet" key is programmed as master!
1. Open driver's door, keep it open and in the unlocked position. All other doors should be closed and locked.
2. Put original master key in ignition and pull out. This is the only step which requires the original key.
3. Lock and Unlock the driver's door 5 times, using the manual lock, NOT the power lock. Complete each lock/unlock
cycle within 1 second and the entire process in 40 seconds or less.
4. Close the door and open the door
5. Lock and unlock the driver's door another 5 times. Complete each lock/unlock cycle within 1 second and entire
process in 40 seconds or less.
6. Put the new master key in the ignition, turn it to "on" and then "off" (with 1 second) and remove from the
ignition
7. Press and hold transmitter LOCK and UNLOCK buttons simultaneously for at least 1.5 seconds,
and then within 3 seconds, press Lock or Unlock for at least 1 second
8. If within 3 seconds, door locks cycle one time, new transmitter code was accepted. If door locks cycle 2 times,
new transmitter code was not accepted. If code was not accepted, retry step 7.
04-25-05, 04:11 AM
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Maaloxx,
Those are the instructions for programming the remote portion of your key. There are seperate instructions for programming the transponder portion. I will post those shortly.
I still don't understand why you think the key you have is a valet key. You didn't get back to me on any of the questions I asked you... about the security light and does it work in the trunk and glove box.
I think maybe the biggest confusing factor is this.
Normally, Lexus doesn't sell non-remote masters. The Lexus dealerships call the non-remote keys valet keys. This isn't the case in the aftermarket.
There are a couple of differences between valet keys and master keys.
1) A true electronic valet key can't be used to open the programming sequence.
2) On some valet keys, for the LS430 for example, they have a different transponder chip inside.
3) The difference between a valet and master on a short key (RX300 for example) is the groove running down the side of the key. On the master there is a groove and on the valet there is no groove.
4) On the older cars and those with the long key blade the difference is the very last cut on the key.
Your car doesn't have the option of having the ECM reset with a scan tool. It either needs to be replaced or reflashed.
Take care,
Tami
Those are the instructions for programming the remote portion of your key. There are seperate instructions for programming the transponder portion. I will post those shortly.
I still don't understand why you think the key you have is a valet key. You didn't get back to me on any of the questions I asked you... about the security light and does it work in the trunk and glove box.
I think maybe the biggest confusing factor is this.
Normally, Lexus doesn't sell non-remote masters. The Lexus dealerships call the non-remote keys valet keys. This isn't the case in the aftermarket.
There are a couple of differences between valet keys and master keys.
1) A true electronic valet key can't be used to open the programming sequence.
2) On some valet keys, for the LS430 for example, they have a different transponder chip inside.
3) The difference between a valet and master on a short key (RX300 for example) is the groove running down the side of the key. On the master there is a groove and on the valet there is no groove.
4) On the older cars and those with the long key blade the difference is the very last cut on the key.
Your car doesn't have the option of having the ECM reset with a scan tool. It either needs to be replaced or reflashed.
Take care,
Tami
04-25-05, 09:24 AM
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Problem solved
The local Toyota dealership took car of my key programming issue this morning. At $36.00 per key for five minutes work, it was very expensive. BUT - it was cheaper than the 140 mile trip to Lexus of Seattle that I was planning.
04-25-05, 11:39 AM
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The locksmith who attempted to program my keys said that the problem was the security system was not switching to the programming mode. He based this on the fact that the security system light flashed at the same rate when a non-programmed key was inserted as it did when no key was inserted. I have been told that the only time the procedure of pressing the accelerator petal and brake petal works on a 2001 GS430 is when the ECM is replaced. I don't know about this. I do know that I spent HOURS attempting to get the *&##$ car to recoginze the *&##$ keys. I tried every possible combination, going so far as to time each step. (Thought I was possibily going too fast) All without success. It took the Toyota tech (They also told me this guy has extensive Lexus training) about ten minutes to get both keys to start the car. ??
Three absolute truths of Computer service:
He who touches is last, loses.
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
The truth, while interesting and amusing is irrelevant. Perception is everything.
Three absolute truths of Computer service:
He who touches is last, loses.
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
The truth, while interesting and amusing is irrelevant. Perception is everything.
04-25-05, 04:58 PM
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Tami: Sorry about that...I don't have my car to check the security light. Hopefully I'll be getting it back tomorrow.
The Reason why I was calling it a Valet Key is becasue of the way that it looks, plus lexus told me that it was. When I told him that was the only key that I had and that I could open everything and start the car...He was confused, and said that wasn't possible.
MaXi-Milli: Way to put the fire under my ***...LOL We gotta hook up and drop my car. I'm gonna keep it and get some 20's and a TTE lip.
The Reason why I was calling it a Valet Key is becasue of the way that it looks, plus lexus told me that it was. When I told him that was the only key that I had and that I could open everything and start the car...He was confused, and said that wasn't possible.
MaXi-Milli: Way to put the fire under my ***...LOL We gotta hook up and drop my car. I'm gonna keep it and get some 20's and a TTE lip.
04-26-05, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Billh2
The locksmith who attempted to program my keys said that the problem was the security system was not switching to the programming mode. He based this on the fact that the security system light flashed at the same rate when a non-programmed key was inserted as it did when no key was inserted. I have been told that the only time the procedure of pressing the accelerator petal and brake petal works on a 2001 GS430 is when the ECM is replaced. I don't know about this. I do know that I spent HOURS attempting to get the *&##$ car to recoginze the *&##$ keys. I tried every possible combination, going so far as to time each step. (Thought I was possibily going too fast) All without success. It took the Toyota tech (They also told me this guy has extensive Lexus training) about ten minutes to get both keys to start the car. ??
What procedure were you using when you were trying to program in the keys?
The 2001 GS430 has the option of having the immobiliser reset using a scan tool so you will never need your ECM replaced or reflashed for lost key situations.
Here are the instructions you should have been using to program in the transponder portion of your keys.
Tami
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04-26-05, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maaloxx
Tami: Sorry about that...I don't have my car to check the security light. Hopefully I'll be getting it back tomorrow.
The Reason why I was calling it a Valet Key is becasue of the way that it looks, plus lexus told me that it was. When I told him that was the only key that I had and that I could open everything and start the car...He was confused, and said that wasn't possible.
The Reason why I was calling it a Valet Key is becasue of the way that it looks, plus lexus told me that it was. When I told him that was the only key that I had and that I could open everything and start the car...He was confused, and said that wasn't possible.
More than likely you have an aftermarket master key. The dealerships don't recognize these as master keys because when they think of master key they think of the remote head keys.
Check the security light when you can. This will tell you all you need to know.
Take care,
Tami
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04-26-05, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tamicalhou
It sounds like the locksmith that was working on your car had no idea what he was doing!
What procedure were you using when you were trying to program in the keys?
The 2001 GS430 has the option of having the immobiliser reset using a scan tool so you will never need your ECM replaced or reflashed for lost key situations.
Here are the instructions you should have been using to program in the transponder portion of your keys.
Tami
What procedure were you using when you were trying to program in the keys?
The 2001 GS430 has the option of having the immobiliser reset using a scan tool so you will never need your ECM replaced or reflashed for lost key situations.
Here are the instructions you should have been using to program in the transponder portion of your keys.
Tami
We are pretty much at the mercy of the dealerships, or "stealerships" as someone has referred to them by. Maybe someday someone will figure out modify a scan tool to access these protected features.
I really want to thank you for trying to help me with this.
Bill
04-26-05, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Billh2
The locksmith had that exact program and could not get it to work. I also worked with it for hours without success. Apparently the option you mentioned is not activated on my car. Probably still isn't.
We are pretty much at the mercy of the dealerships, or "stealerships" as someone has referred to them by. Maybe someday someone will figure out modify a scan tool to access these protected features.
I really want to thank you for trying to help me with this.
Bill
We are pretty much at the mercy of the dealerships, or "stealerships" as someone has referred to them by. Maybe someday someone will figure out modify a scan tool to access these protected features.
I really want to thank you for trying to help me with this.
Bill
Crap, just noticed that you are in washington. Cause driving up here to get this done, would be the best bet, but you may just have to ship it.
04-26-05, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Billh2
The locksmith had that exact program and could not get it to work. I also worked with it for hours without success. Apparently the option you mentioned is not activated on my car. Probably still isn't.
We are pretty much at the mercy of the dealerships, or "stealerships" as someone has referred to them by. Maybe someday someone will figure out modify a scan tool to access these protected features.
I really want to thank you for trying to help me with this.
Bill
We are pretty much at the mercy of the dealerships, or "stealerships" as someone has referred to them by. Maybe someday someone will figure out modify a scan tool to access these protected features.
I really want to thank you for trying to help me with this.
Bill
On the Toyota/Lexus software we get to bypass the SEEDCODE which is usually needed in order to program keys so we can do it without the help from the dealership.
If you had been my customer and the OBP didn't work within a couple of tries I would have hooked you up to the computer and programmed in the keys.
Were you trying to do this programming with a master key?
Take care,
Tami
04-26-05, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tamicalhou
The timing is critical when you do it on board. The locksmith industry already has software to program in keys for Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Ford, Chrysler, Subaru, Mazda, VW, Audi, Honda, Acura, Infiniti, etc.
On the Toyota/Lexus software we get to bypass the SEEDCODE which is usually needed in order to program keys so we can do it without the help from the dealership.
If you had been my customer and the OBP didn't work within a couple of tries I would have hooked you up to the computer and programmed in the keys.
Were you trying to do this programming with a master key?
Take care,
Tami
On the Toyota/Lexus software we get to bypass the SEEDCODE which is usually needed in order to program keys so we can do it without the help from the dealership.
If you had been my customer and the OBP didn't work within a couple of tries I would have hooked you up to the computer and programmed in the keys.
Were you trying to do this programming with a master key?
Take care,
Tami
If all of the black keys that will start the car are master keys, the answer is yes. (I qualify that because somewhare I was told that there is only one master key, and the just because you have a black key doesn't mean it's a master key. Probably fiction.)
Anyway, the Toyota guys took car of it. The SEEDCODE wouldn't be that metal tag that was attached to the valet key, would it?
Thanks
Bill
04-26-05, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Billh2
Tami
If all of the black keys that will start the car are master keys, the answer is yes. (I qualify that because somewhare I was told that there is only one master key, and the just because you have a black key doesn't mean it's a master key. Probably fiction.)
Anyway, the Toyota guys took car of it. The SEEDCODE wouldn't be that metal tag that was attached to the valet key, would it?
Thanks
Bill
If all of the black keys that will start the car are master keys, the answer is yes. (I qualify that because somewhare I was told that there is only one master key, and the just because you have a black key doesn't mean it's a master key. Probably fiction.)
Anyway, the Toyota guys took car of it. The SEEDCODE wouldn't be that metal tag that was attached to the valet key, would it?
Thanks
Bill
No, not fiction. It all depends on HOW the keys were programmed in. You could have a black key that is programmed in as a valet key. (certain models this is not true as the programming is the same but the chip in the key is different.) You could have a grey key that is programmed in as a master key. You could have a remote head key programmed in as a valet key. The security light is the indicator as to how these keys are programmed in electronically.
Anyway, glad you got it taken care of. How did the tech program them in? With a computer or on board?
Take care,
Tami