Jap spec ARISTO would kill an e46 M3!!!
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Handling, the M3 has the edge, but again it's a got firm M-tech suspension setup versus V300 comfort suspension.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
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Originally Posted by yoshi
Handling, the M3 has the edge, but again it's a got firm M-tech suspension setup versus V300 comfort suspension.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
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Thanks Rominl.
I think a better comparison between the new M3 and Aristo is TOMS S630 Aristo.
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/e/comp/s630/index.html
The TOMS Aristo has full ECU change, full exhaust system, full Advox TOMS suspension, ATF cooler kit and strut-braces. Power somewhere around 340hp.
Now, I do believe the TOMS Aristo will be as good as an M3 except not as tail-happy probably as these 3-series BMWs are.
I think a better comparison between the new M3 and Aristo is TOMS S630 Aristo.
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/e/comp/s630/index.html
The TOMS Aristo has full ECU change, full exhaust system, full Advox TOMS suspension, ATF cooler kit and strut-braces. Power somewhere around 340hp.
Now, I do believe the TOMS Aristo will be as good as an M3 except not as tail-happy probably as these 3-series BMWs are.
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Originally Posted by yoshi
Thanks Rominl.
I think a better comparison between the new M3 and Aristo is TOMS S630 Aristo.
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/e/comp/s630/index.html
The TOMS Aristo has full ECU change, full exhaust system, full Advox TOMS suspension, ATF cooler kit and strut-braces. Power somewhere around 340hp.
Now, I do believe the TOMS Aristo will be as good as an M3 except not as tail-happy probably as these 3-series BMWs are.
I think a better comparison between the new M3 and Aristo is TOMS S630 Aristo.
http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/e/comp/s630/index.html
The TOMS Aristo has full ECU change, full exhaust system, full Advox TOMS suspension, ATF cooler kit and strut-braces. Power somewhere around 340hp.
Now, I do believe the TOMS Aristo will be as good as an M3 except not as tail-happy probably as these 3-series BMWs are.
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Yeah, the 280hp V300 is slower on the straight than M3 @ 343hp.
But with a tweak of boost controller or bleed valve, the V300 can easily put out 330hp+. I do believe you'll see 350hp before the boost cut.
My experience has been with V300
- 15.1s 1/4 mile @ 280hp
- 14.1s 1/4 mile @ 330hp (boost up)
- 14.1s 1/4 mile for M3 @ 343 hp
But with a tweak of boost controller or bleed valve, the V300 can easily put out 330hp+. I do believe you'll see 350hp before the boost cut.
My experience has been with V300
- 15.1s 1/4 mile @ 280hp
- 14.1s 1/4 mile @ 330hp (boost up)
- 14.1s 1/4 mile for M3 @ 343 hp
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Dont get me wrong, as far as potential goes the aristo is way ahead, but in stock form it cant put up a good fight in a straight line or the twisties. M3's are beasts and with the 6 speed its just one more advantage they have
Dont get me wrong, as far as potential goes the aristo is way ahead, but in stock form it cant put up a good fight in a straight line or the twisties. M3's are beasts and with the 6 speed its just one more advantage they have
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You have to remember the V300 has different suspension from US GS....it's at least 10MM drop + 4 wheel steering. The handling is surprising good (as seen M5 vs V300 on Best Motoring), but I admit the body-roll is a bit much.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
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You have to remember the V300 has different suspension from US GS....it's at least 10MM drop + 4 wheel steering. The handling is surprising good (as seen M5 vs V300 on Best Motoring), but I admit the body-roll is a bit much.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
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Originally Posted by joshoowa
man why couldnt they offer the aristo v300 here
So when the 2GS was in development, so was VVTi and they fit the 4.0 V-8 inside to make the 400 for the American and European markets, following in the footsteps of the successful E class and 5 series.
A TT I-6 GS would not sell here at all.
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Originally Posted by yoshi
Handling, the M3 has the edge, but again it's a got firm M-tech suspension setup versus V300 comfort suspension.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
In the Best Motoring video, they raced V300 against M5, there was nothing in the cornering but of course the M5 was faster on the straight.
I was running behind a M3 CSL at the track in my lowered V300, there wasn't much in it apart from on the straights.
The F1 shift on the V300 makes for less slush.
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Originally Posted by yoshi
You have to remember the V300 has different suspension from US GS....it's at least 10MM drop + 4 wheel steering. The handling is surprising good (as seen M5 vs V300 on Best Motoring), but I admit the body-roll is a bit much.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
Again, I think the TOMS Aristo S630 Vs M3 is more of an even match.
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fhumprehy4 - yes, the V300 is around 140kilos heavier than the M3, but the reality on the racetrack is slight. The Toms S630 has the chassis strengthened also for better rigidity.
Having raced against many cars on the track in my V300, the car is surprising, even in stock form it can stay with Subaru's thru the twisties (although the LSD let's it down on the corner exit where the subaru smokes it).
1sicklex - US market prefers big V8. That means heavier at the front than the 3.0TT but the V8 gives no turbo lag. The 3.0TT is detuned to 280hp for Jap legal reasons also.
The M3 CSL did not get away but I didn't gain on it (I have the video but it's about 15 car lengths ahead and stays 15 ahead so not a great video). I keep taunting the guy with the M3 CSL to race again, but he's bought a Radical racer so not sure if the CSL will appear at the track again.
rominl - yes, the 4 wheel steering whens 4-wheels steer. The rears steer slightly on tight cornering and 'tuck' the rear end in, good for road use. I'm removing my 4-wheel steer for true 2-wheel steering for racetrack. I guess now with the LSD2.0 and 2-wheel steering my car will under-steer a bit.
Having raced against many cars on the track in my V300, the car is surprising, even in stock form it can stay with Subaru's thru the twisties (although the LSD let's it down on the corner exit where the subaru smokes it).
1sicklex - US market prefers big V8. That means heavier at the front than the 3.0TT but the V8 gives no turbo lag. The 3.0TT is detuned to 280hp for Jap legal reasons also.
The M3 CSL did not get away but I didn't gain on it (I have the video but it's about 15 car lengths ahead and stays 15 ahead so not a great video). I keep taunting the guy with the M3 CSL to race again, but he's bought a Radical racer so not sure if the CSL will appear at the track again.
rominl - yes, the 4 wheel steering whens 4-wheels steer. The rears steer slightly on tight cornering and 'tuck' the rear end in, good for road use. I'm removing my 4-wheel steer for true 2-wheel steering for racetrack. I guess now with the LSD2.0 and 2-wheel steering my car will under-steer a bit.
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Originally Posted by yoshi
fhumprehy4 - yes, the V300 is around 140kilos heavier than the M3, but the reality on the racetrack is slight. The Toms S630 has the chassis strengthened also for better rigidity.
Having raced against many cars on the track in my V300, the car is surprising, even in stock form it can stay with Subaru's thru the twisties (although the LSD let's it down on the corner exit where the subaru smokes it).
1sicklex - US market prefers big V8. That means heavier at the front than the 3.0TT but the V8 gives no turbo lag. The 3.0TT is detuned to 280hp for Jap legal reasons also.
The M3 CSL did not get away but I didn't gain on it (I have the video but it's about 15 car lengths ahead and stays 15 ahead so not a great video). I keep taunting the guy with the M3 CSL to race again, but he's bought a Radical racer so not sure if the CSL will appear at the track again.
rominl - yes, the 4 wheel steering whens 4-wheels steer. The rears steer slightly on tight cornering and 'tuck' the rear end in, good for road use. I'm removing my 4-wheel steer for true 2-wheel steering for racetrack. I guess now with the LSD2.0 and 2-wheel steering my car will under-steer a bit.
Having raced against many cars on the track in my V300, the car is surprising, even in stock form it can stay with Subaru's thru the twisties (although the LSD let's it down on the corner exit where the subaru smokes it).
1sicklex - US market prefers big V8. That means heavier at the front than the 3.0TT but the V8 gives no turbo lag. The 3.0TT is detuned to 280hp for Jap legal reasons also.
The M3 CSL did not get away but I didn't gain on it (I have the video but it's about 15 car lengths ahead and stays 15 ahead so not a great video). I keep taunting the guy with the M3 CSL to race again, but he's bought a Radical racer so not sure if the CSL will appear at the track again.
rominl - yes, the 4 wheel steering whens 4-wheels steer. The rears steer slightly on tight cornering and 'tuck' the rear end in, good for road use. I'm removing my 4-wheel steer for true 2-wheel steering for racetrack. I guess now with the LSD2.0 and 2-wheel steering my car will under-steer a bit.
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My assumption was that the aristo actually got the 2jzgte B4 the mighty Supra.
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