Acura TL Type-S
07-30-01, 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by GlobeCLK
Welcome to the forum!
I find your words very very respectful with the correct attitude. Thanks for providing such a nice comment.
Regarding your comment about the Avalon/GS:
GS300/400/430 (Aristo in Japan) shares the same platform with Crown, a sedan not sold here only in Japan. Avalon (Pronard in Japan) uses a different platform, a different engine (3.0 V6 on Avalon, 3.0 I-6 on GS300), different drive (FF vs FR), and it shares almost NONE OF THE PARTS. Parts sharing is what makes 2 cars alike. ES300 and Camry are alike, TL and Accords are alike. That's because of parts sharing.:eek:
Welcome to the forum!
I find your words very very respectful with the correct attitude. Thanks for providing such a nice comment.
Regarding your comment about the Avalon/GS:
GS300/400/430 (Aristo in Japan) shares the same platform with Crown, a sedan not sold here only in Japan. Avalon (Pronard in Japan) uses a different platform, a different engine (3.0 V6 on Avalon, 3.0 I-6 on GS300), different drive (FF vs FR), and it shares almost NONE OF THE PARTS. Parts sharing is what makes 2 cars alike. ES300 and Camry are alike, TL and Accords are alike. That's because of parts sharing.:eek:
Didn't mean anything bad regards to the Avalon, I truly feel that the Avalon is a very nice car. Tonight I had my father in law's ES300 and I must admit, it was the first time driving it and I was very impressed. Certainly not a "sports sedan" but rather more luxury than sport.
07-30-01, 10:43 PM
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Thanx guys, glad to be here. 1SickLex, no more bashing the TL, ok...
Jus kidding, you're entitled to your opininon as everyone else is. I can respect that, just prepare for us TL/TLS guys to correct some untruthful facts like the TLS cannot beat the GS430, ok...
As you can tell, 1SickLex and I had great posts back and forth at the TL forum. I truly enjoy all his posts as I believe that he makes good valid points. I understand that you may have bashed the TL and you've changed now. Hey, I'm a good example of "change" myself. At one point, I was talking massive crap about the IS300 til I drove one...whoa nelly!!
Anyways, thanx for the warm welcome and look forward to great posts and debates!
Enjoy the ride!
BTW, waiting for you at the red light my friend.
I forgot to mention, I'm getting Dinan CAI with Stage 2 this week, then hopefully in about a month Dinan Throttle Body and Stage 4. Damn, this Dinan crap is overpriced!!!
Jus kidding, you're entitled to your opininon as everyone else is. I can respect that, just prepare for us TL/TLS guys to correct some untruthful facts like the TLS cannot beat the GS430, ok...
As you can tell, 1SickLex and I had great posts back and forth at the TL forum. I truly enjoy all his posts as I believe that he makes good valid points. I understand that you may have bashed the TL and you've changed now. Hey, I'm a good example of "change" myself. At one point, I was talking massive crap about the IS300 til I drove one...whoa nelly!!
Anyways, thanx for the warm welcome and look forward to great posts and debates!
Enjoy the ride!
BTW, waiting for you at the red light my friend.
I forgot to mention, I'm getting Dinan CAI with Stage 2 this week, then hopefully in about a month Dinan Throttle Body and Stage 4. Damn, this Dinan crap is overpriced!!!
07-30-01, 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by AC's TL/540i
Thanx for the info and thank you for the warm welcome! Man, it just amazes me how many more cars they have in Japan and in Europe compared to us here. It kills me even more considering we buy like 70% of all their "stock".
Didn't mean anything bad regards to the Avalon, I truly feel that the Avalon is a very nice car. Tonight I had my father in law's ES300 and I must admit, it was the first time driving it and I was very impressed. Certainly not a "sports sedan" but rather more luxury than sport.
Thanx for the info and thank you for the warm welcome! Man, it just amazes me how many more cars they have in Japan and in Europe compared to us here. It kills me even more considering we buy like 70% of all their "stock".
Didn't mean anything bad regards to the Avalon, I truly feel that the Avalon is a very nice car. Tonight I had my father in law's ES300 and I must admit, it was the first time driving it and I was very impressed. Certainly not a "sports sedan" but rather more luxury than sport.
Yah Toyota has like 70 cars, trucks, suvs, etc. We have like 20 total Lexus and Toyota vehicles...... sigh....~
07-31-01, 12:12 AM
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Can't believe you guys are still debating the virtues of an Acura TL-S and a GS4. They are completely different cars. My girlfriend has a TL-S and I have a GS400. I used to own an Acura Legend. Now to base the worth of a car based on it's 0-60 times is very one-dimensional. The TL will hold it's own against most of the $$$$ european high-performance sedans.
But comparing the Acura to a GS400 is not really fair as they are a completely different class of car. The Acura's interior is nice, but nowhere near the quality or plushness of the Lexus. The quality of the leather, the fit and finish in the Lexus is so much nicer than the Acura, and the Acura uses a lot of vinyl. The Acura feels very Accordish while the GS is nowhere near an Camry. The Acura is a front wheel drive car versus the GS's rear wheel drive. Those who have experienced torque steer and high speed cornering characteristic of a front wheel drive know what I'm talking about. I guess we can debate that till were old and grey.
I don't think Lexus owners are insecure about being compared to an Acura. It's just that these are cars of two different classes, so why bother. I guess you can say the Ford Taurus dollar for dollar is a much better car than a Lexus LS, but what's the point?
Acura has targeted a specific buyer; it's trying to grab it's share of the 3-Series Bimmer market just as the IS 300 is. The Acura is a great car for the money, but it's no Lexus nor is it trying to be.
But comparing the Acura to a GS400 is not really fair as they are a completely different class of car. The Acura's interior is nice, but nowhere near the quality or plushness of the Lexus. The quality of the leather, the fit and finish in the Lexus is so much nicer than the Acura, and the Acura uses a lot of vinyl. The Acura feels very Accordish while the GS is nowhere near an Camry. The Acura is a front wheel drive car versus the GS's rear wheel drive. Those who have experienced torque steer and high speed cornering characteristic of a front wheel drive know what I'm talking about. I guess we can debate that till were old and grey.
I don't think Lexus owners are insecure about being compared to an Acura. It's just that these are cars of two different classes, so why bother. I guess you can say the Ford Taurus dollar for dollar is a much better car than a Lexus LS, but what's the point?
Acura has targeted a specific buyer; it's trying to grab it's share of the 3-Series Bimmer market just as the IS 300 is. The Acura is a great car for the money, but it's no Lexus nor is it trying to be.
07-31-01, 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by David GS400
Can't believe you guys are still debating the virtues of an Acura TL-S and a GS4. They are completely different cars. My girlfriend has a TL-S and I have a GS400. I used to own an Acura Legend. Now to base the worth of a car based on it's 0-60 times is very one-dimensional. The TL will hold it's own against most of the $$$$ european high-performance sedans.
But comparing the Acura to a GS400 is not really fair as they are a completely different class of car. The Acura's interior is nice, but nowhere near the quality or plushness of the Lexus. The quality of the leather, the fit and finish in the Lexus is so much nicer than the Acura, and the Acura uses a lot of vinyl. The Acura feels very Accordish while the GS is nowhere near an Camry. The Acura is a front wheel drive car versus the GS's rear wheel drive. Those who have experienced torque steer and high speed cornering characteristic of a front wheel drive know what I'm talking about. I guess we can debate that till were old and grey.
I don't think Lexus owners are insecure about being compared to an Acura. It's just that these are cars of two different classes, so why bother. I guess you can say the Ford Taurus dollar for dollar is a much better car than a Lexus LS, but what's the point?
Acura has targeted a specific buyer; it's trying to grab it's share of the 3-Series Bimmer market just as the IS 300 is. The Acura is a great car for the money, but it's no Lexus nor is it trying to be.
Can't believe you guys are still debating the virtues of an Acura TL-S and a GS4. They are completely different cars. My girlfriend has a TL-S and I have a GS400. I used to own an Acura Legend. Now to base the worth of a car based on it's 0-60 times is very one-dimensional. The TL will hold it's own against most of the $$$$ european high-performance sedans.
But comparing the Acura to a GS400 is not really fair as they are a completely different class of car. The Acura's interior is nice, but nowhere near the quality or plushness of the Lexus. The quality of the leather, the fit and finish in the Lexus is so much nicer than the Acura, and the Acura uses a lot of vinyl. The Acura feels very Accordish while the GS is nowhere near an Camry. The Acura is a front wheel drive car versus the GS's rear wheel drive. Those who have experienced torque steer and high speed cornering characteristic of a front wheel drive know what I'm talking about. I guess we can debate that till were old and grey.
I don't think Lexus owners are insecure about being compared to an Acura. It's just that these are cars of two different classes, so why bother. I guess you can say the Ford Taurus dollar for dollar is a much better car than a Lexus LS, but what's the point?
Acura has targeted a specific buyer; it's trying to grab it's share of the 3-Series Bimmer market just as the IS 300 is. The Acura is a great car for the money, but it's no Lexus nor is it trying to be.
kinda late on joining this David, the debate is pretty much over
nevertheless your points are very cool.
07-31-01, 07:34 AM
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Again and again..
I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but this TL vs. GS issue has gotten really tired. I see no point in arguing it any further. Whether the TL is in the GS class or not, who gives a flying you know what.. There are people with TLs. There are people with GSs. Each loves his own ride. We can't change their minds. No one is ignorant enough to purchase a 35 or 55 thousand dollar automobile based on forum posts. Everyone does their homework. Test drives these vehicles. Perfers one's styling over the next one's. Prefers engine power, performance features, luxury features, interior design, ride comfort, price, value, etc., etc., over the next one's. As someone said before, to each his own! Can we put this topic to rest now? There is no ONE v. THE OTHER when you're comparing apples to oranges.
07-31-01, 05:57 PM
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GS430
I just confirmed the pick update of my GS430 at Longo Lexus for 8/10. In the process of deciding to go with the GS I've tested the TL-S, CL-S, BMW 330Ci and of course the GS (The BMW shouldn't even be in this list). For one, Acura seems to think that the car is selling too well and wouldn't talk price with me at all, wanted 33-34K for the two models, CL-S and TL-S. Meanwhile Longo is giving me the GS430 w/ premium package (nav is no good in Idaho) for 45K (Yes brand new). So in my particular comparison it was, is 10K more worth the car quality? I experienced true emotion when driving the GS, an honest spike in the heart rate. The CL-S and TL-S did nothing for me. The front wheel drive just doesn't excite when taking off. Furthermore, the CL-S and TL-S don't hold a candle to the interior and amenities of the GS, the Lexus is Sport-Luxury.
--- Honest opinion of a person who just recently finalized his choice car.
--- Honest opinion of a person who just recently finalized his choice car.
07-31-01, 07:06 PM
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I'd say, for $45K, take the GS. That's a damn good price. Help me out GS folks. I don't own a GS, but the one I looked at was $61K loaded with LTuned Package. As far as the TLS/CLS for $33-$34K I don't know why they're charging you so much. You can pick up a CLS with NAV in the DC area for like $100 over invoice.
07-31-01, 09:43 PM
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Actually GlobeCLK I posted something in June on this subject. Here it is August and it's still being debated. Talk about staying power, must be some Viagra in these cars.
07-31-01, 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by David GS400
Actually GlobeCLK I posted something in June on this subject. Here it is August and it's still being debated. Talk about staying power, must be some Viagra in these cars.
Actually GlobeCLK I posted something in June on this subject. Here it is August and it's still being debated. Talk about staying power, must be some Viagra in these cars.
Oh sorry I must have left out that post when I was reading or didn't recognize it was you.......
But like I said, we shouldn't compare them anymore. They're in 2 different classes. Not just a TL-S to a GS400/430. Even a GS300 can beat the TL-S in terms of value, quality, handling, interior, and everything but strait line acceleration. Value I mean is it worth the extra 10k? yah sure. 10k for a faster car with a buncha fake stuff inside? Gotta do better to convince me. It all depends on how much a person wanna spend. True, no car comes close at the TL/TL-S price range, but how dare they step up and challenge teh GS. No need to continue the battle between these two car lineups.
08-01-01, 08:30 AM
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Will this ever end?
Desperately trying not to sound too hypocritical (since I pleaded to end this thread), why not compare the TL to the IS300? Similar price range, no? Great looks (I mean the IS is a beauty). Peppy engine. Razor-sharp steering. And, of course, the newly-available 5-speed tranny!
Who let the dogs out?
Who let the dogs out?
08-01-01, 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Okay, the Tl-type whatever is fast, no doubt. How fast did ya'll race to 60 mph, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160 mph!?!?!From a standstill?
Driving a GS 4 to a TL You will be in for a HUGE disapointment, do not let fast fool you.............
Tl is not GS competition, it is ES competition.
Okay, the Tl-type whatever is fast, no doubt. How fast did ya'll race to 60 mph, 80, 100, 120, 140, 160 mph!?!?!From a standstill?
Driving a GS 4 to a TL You will be in for a HUGE disapointment, do not let fast fool you.............
Tl is not GS competition, it is ES competition.
Cant you just call it by its name? The TL type S? Much easier than TL type whatever. No point in trying to down the car when it is a great car.
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Re: Re: TL-S not bad, not that great either
Originally posted by GlobeCLK
ES300 was aiming for the 30+40+ age group that prefers a quiet, comfortable, plush ride. TL is different, emphasizing on Performance. Both has advantages. Like, TL owners will NEVER say "my car is more comfortable" and ES owners will NEVER say "my car is faster".
With headers and intake............... yah almost 300hp for the TL-S, pretty impressive. But if they never change that crappy so-called "5-speed auto" with 2 overdrives even the TL-S is slow on the freeways after 100mph. For more details search for my kill of the CL-s on the RACING FORUM. after 100 they don't pull.
ES300 was aiming for the 30+40+ age group that prefers a quiet, comfortable, plush ride. TL is different, emphasizing on Performance. Both has advantages. Like, TL owners will NEVER say "my car is more comfortable" and ES owners will NEVER say "my car is faster".
With headers and intake............... yah almost 300hp for the TL-S, pretty impressive. But if they never change that crappy so-called "5-speed auto" with 2 overdrives even the TL-S is slow on the freeways after 100mph. For more details search for my kill of the CL-s on the RACING FORUM. after 100 they don't pull.
And everyone drives over 100 all the time to right? Around down while kids play in the street...
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Originally posted by DROD2045
Cant you just call it by its name? The TL type S? Much easier than TL type whatever. No point in trying to down the car when it is a great car.
Cant you just call it by its name? The TL type S? Much easier than TL type whatever. No point in trying to down the car when it is a great car.
Sorry, a FWD car will always be less superior in handling and performance. In addition, the Integra a lower model level in price is a better handling FWD than the TL. So, yes, the TL is a great car for the money but please don't compare it to the true sports sedans on the market. It actually is more on the same level as the ES since the ES is FWD also. That's the point, stick to it...
PS I just wanted to continue on this thread...Long live the thread!!!!
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