Signal Flasher relay?
03-24-09, 05:35 PM
#61
This helps a LOT Pete !
There is some missing info, but if I spent some time probing the wires, I might get those answered.
The BIG problem is those wires are waaaay back there and not easy to probe.
The second is I already gave up on this and went to resistors, so I have little incentive now to figure this out.
I have an LSD to swap out this week and and instrument cluster mod to do after that. So this relay thing is no longer at the top of my list, but I'll look into this at my leisure and perhaps I'll see what I can do.
03-25-09, 04:29 AM
#62
we are all **** about our cars, thus the popularity of these threads. If you dont want to lose the indicator light then I guess you can install resistors but not sure if the bulb goes out the light will still come on. I think if you are worried about losing the indicator light then its not a good idea to install the LEDs.
03-25-09, 10:34 AM
#63
So I just want to clarify / verify.
The bulb out warning light in your dash Only Triggers when your brake light is burned out.
Burned out turn signals DO NOT trigger the warning light. That is the REASON for the Hyperblink to tell you the bulb is burned out. If you use either the relay or the resistors you will loose the hyperblink feature and you will not know if your turn signal bulb is out.
If you go to LED for your brake lights, the warning light WILL go on. The fix again is to use resistors then the result is the same. You will have defeated the purpose of the bulb out indicator by fooling it to think the bulb is good. If you have LED tails, a quality set of LEDs should last the lifetime that you own the car. It's not the end of the world if a brake light does go out, since you still have the other side plus the third brake light working. Hopefully a nice peace officer will eventually notify you of a bulb out condition.
Instead of playing with the BananaGS mod or any resistor mod, just remove the Bulb Out Indicator Light out of the dash and try to not loose any sleep over it.
If you must be ****, then I guess you won't be using LEDs.
The bulb out warning light in your dash Only Triggers when your brake light is burned out.
Burned out turn signals DO NOT trigger the warning light. That is the REASON for the Hyperblink to tell you the bulb is burned out. If you use either the relay or the resistors you will loose the hyperblink feature and you will not know if your turn signal bulb is out.
If you go to LED for your brake lights, the warning light WILL go on. The fix again is to use resistors then the result is the same. You will have defeated the purpose of the bulb out indicator by fooling it to think the bulb is good. If you have LED tails, a quality set of LEDs should last the lifetime that you own the car. It's not the end of the world if a brake light does go out, since you still have the other side plus the third brake light working. Hopefully a nice peace officer will eventually notify you of a bulb out condition.
Instead of playing with the BananaGS mod or any resistor mod, just remove the Bulb Out Indicator Light out of the dash and try to not loose any sleep over it.
If you must be ****, then I guess you won't be using LEDs.
we are all **** about our cars, thus the popularity of these threads. If you dont want to lose the indicator light then I guess you can install resistors but not sure if the bulb goes out the light will still come on. I think if you are worried about losing the indicator light then its not a good idea to install the LEDs.
03-25-09, 10:48 AM
#64
hahaha...naw glen im gonna go for the LED bulbs...i guess when i do i'll either remove the bulb from the cluster or cut the wire
ohh glen what cluster mod you doin?
no rich im not worried about losing the indicator light...per se..im more concerned with having a annoying light on, on my dash 24-7.i just dont wanna cut a wire. think i'll just remove the bulb, seems to be the simplest solution for me
ohh glen what cluster mod you doin?
no rich im not worried about losing the indicator light...per se..im more concerned with having a annoying light on, on my dash 24-7.i just dont wanna cut a wire. think i'll just remove the bulb, seems to be the simplest solution for me
HEY ALL
So as much as we are deviating off topic, curiosity has me looking into this issue a bit further.
I am checking with friends who own a Toyota and Nissan who have OEM LED tail lights.
The question I have to them is "DO THEY HAVE A BULB OUT INDICATOR?". It seems possible that car manufacturers could find a way to tell you if an LED bulb is out, but does that make sense?
Also would they need to have a sensor to tell you when each individual LED went out? That's a lot of circuitry and expense, and I would question the real benefit.
Lastly, if they are using quality LEDs, the concept should be that the LEDs will last the lifetime of most cars, so a "bulb out" indicator serves very little value.
Ok so my question is "Do any cars that have OEM LED tails have a "light out" indicator?"
I should find that answer on the Toyota and Nissan shortly. After that I'll see who I know that owns a Cadillac.
Anyone else have feedback on OEM LEDs, that would be good as well. Then again, maybe we should start a new thread.
Last edited by RMMGS4; 03-25-09 at 10:52 AM.
03-25-09, 11:48 AM
#66
HEY ALL
So as much as we are deviating off topic, curiosity has me looking into this issue a bit further.
I am checking with friends who own a Toyota and Nissan who have OEM LED tail lights.
The question I have to them is "DO THEY HAVE A BULB OUT INDICATOR?". It seems possible that car manufacturers could find a way to tell you if an LED bulb is out, but does that make sense?
Also would they need to have a sensor to tell you when each individual LED went out? That's a lot of circuitry and expense, and I would question the real benefit.
Lastly, if they are using quality LEDs, the concept should be that the LEDs will last the lifetime of most cars, so a "bulb out" indicator serves very little value.
Ok so my question is "Do any cars that have OEM LED tails have a "light out" indicator?"
I should find that answer on the Toyota and Nissan shortly. After that I'll see who I know that owns a Cadillac.
Anyone else have feedback on OEM LEDs, that would be good as well. Then again, maybe we should start a new thread.
So as much as we are deviating off topic, curiosity has me looking into this issue a bit further.
I am checking with friends who own a Toyota and Nissan who have OEM LED tail lights.
The question I have to them is "DO THEY HAVE A BULB OUT INDICATOR?". It seems possible that car manufacturers could find a way to tell you if an LED bulb is out, but does that make sense?
Also would they need to have a sensor to tell you when each individual LED went out? That's a lot of circuitry and expense, and I would question the real benefit.
Lastly, if they are using quality LEDs, the concept should be that the LEDs will last the lifetime of most cars, so a "bulb out" indicator serves very little value.
Ok so my question is "Do any cars that have OEM LED tails have a "light out" indicator?"
I should find that answer on the Toyota and Nissan shortly. After that I'll see who I know that owns a Cadillac.
Anyone else have feedback on OEM LEDs, that would be good as well. Then again, maybe we should start a new thread.
Hmmmmmmmmm. So would a Toyota\lexus with OEM LED's have a relay that would work in our cars? That is the question....................
03-25-09, 12:23 PM
#67
I just checked with Toyota and this IS their PN below, but the Sales rep told me the PN was superceded with the PN 81980-02030
In any case I asked for the price and he said it was $59.95 !!!
Dunno where V-LEDs or E-Bay sellers are sourcing this part from , but the dealer price is just crazy.
PS - This new PN "may" have the fix we need for the emergency flashers and possibly the alarm flash to work, but I'm not about to pay over $60 to find that out.
Last edited by RMMGS4; 03-25-09 at 12:39 PM.
03-26-09, 09:18 AM
#70
Remember though that we're specifically looking for LED turn signals not brake lights. Though it's worth trying any relay to see what happens.
03-26-09, 11:33 AM
#71
I PM'ed a member that works in parts at a dealer (not his specific job title but nonetheless), he was able to shed a little light...
definitely still some hope for me atleast... maybe we can contact the guy on ebay to see if he has, or is able to get, the 81980-50020 replacement relay.
Chris
Well, I don't know much about LED lights at all but I do know that the 98-00 GS's use 81980-53020 (old # 81980-50020) & the 01-05 GS's use 81980-02030 (old # 81980-50030). I checked the RX330's because they have LED tails but not LED blinkers and they also use the 81980-53020. Same as the older 2Gen GS's.
Chris
Last edited by excluesive; 03-26-09 at 11:37 AM.
03-26-09, 02:21 PM
#72
I PM'ed a member that works in parts at a dealer (not his specific job title but nonetheless), he was able to shed a little light...
definitely still some hope for me atleast... maybe we can contact the guy on ebay to see if he has, or is able to get, the 81980-50020 replacement relay.
Chris
definitely still some hope for me atleast... maybe we can contact the guy on ebay to see if he has, or is able to get, the 81980-50020 replacement relay.
Chris
I believe the PN you are looking at ( 81980-50020 ) is what came on my car stock. I'll try to check when I get home.
The relay that replaces the one that we ordered is PN 81980-02030. That's the relay I would want to test. If I see that exact PN in my friends new Toyota, I'll try to remove it and test it.
03-26-09, 03:42 PM
#73
Chris,
I believe the PN you are looking at ( 81980-50020 ) is what came on my car stock. I'll try to check when I get home.
The relay that replaces the one that we ordered is PN 81980-02030. That's the relay I would want to test. If I see that exact PN in my friends new Toyota, I'll try to remove it and test it.
I believe the PN you are looking at ( 81980-50020 ) is what came on my car stock. I'll try to check when I get home.
The relay that replaces the one that we ordered is PN 81980-02030. That's the relay I would want to test. If I see that exact PN in my friends new Toyota, I'll try to remove it and test it.
The PN on the ebay (and VLED) relay matches the part number for the 01-05 GS - 81980-02030 (old # 81980-50030), it STILL hasn't come in yet to test.
03-26-09, 05:45 PM
#75
Edit - he got back to me today. The part was shipped the 19th, but is being shipped from HK.